Talk:New Progressive Party (Puerto Rico)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Church of Satan?

Removed the reference to Rosello as a Satanist; no mention of it in his article, possibly vandalism, but feel free to correct if this is in fact the case... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoff K. (talk • contribs) 00:48, 17 September 2006‎ (UTC)

Vandalism

Yeah, I just removed references to satanists and sadism. There's vandalism throughout the page and I'm not sure what's true and what's not. Someone should lock this page if this keeps up.Papercrab 06:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Due to nonsense vandalism I've semi-protected the page. Durova 15:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Fix Attempt

I've tried to fix some of the problems with this page ... but it would benefit from a through going-over by an expert. Eddieuny 04:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

While I'm no expert, I found and removed a couple more instances of nonsense and sourced two of the more surprising statements that turned out to be true. This article would become a lot more vandal-resistant if it had more citations. Durova 06:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Motto

Party motto in the logo on the right says Satan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.90.18.136 (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2006‎ (UTC)

Article is not neutral

The sources are insufficient to support some of the statements. The article is written in a biased way. The links to the sources are not working.Alterx 22:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Bad edits reverted

User:Prwolverine has ben doing POV, WP:OR, un-sourced changes to this article. I have reverted to the state previous to his edits. While I dodn't necessarily endorse the version I reverted to, his edits where definitely not good. I am posting welcomes etc as it seems like a new user. Thanks!--Cerejota 07:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Wrong US 51 Star flag

The 51 star US flag displayed is not generally used by the NPP and would most probably not be the one adopted by Congress. The generally acceptable flag which is displayed in many NPP activities is the 51 star flag in which alternate rows of 8 and 9 stars are used.Pr4ever 14:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Fortuño's detraction within the party

Do not delete this because it is an important reaction after the primaries. It is said to those of you who don't want to acknowledge this that most of Rosselló's supporters endorsed Fortuño but some criticized him. Its important to be neutral and inform all angles after the primaries.--Juancro (talk) 20:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Wrong website

The pnp.org is not the official party's website, it belongs to a former representative who in way is connected to the Party itself. It is conventional practice to accept the gubernatorial candidate's website as the one for the party. Is someon does not agree, another option would be to use the www.pnp2008.com, but this one is outdated and still mentions Pedro Rossello as the party's website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.94.85.80 (talk) 17:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Someone added the pnppr.net website as the official one, however this one is not the official one, and is grossly outdated. The www.luisfortuno.com should be accepted as has Wapa.tv on their website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.94.85.80 (talk) 20:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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" Rosselló challenged the electoral results alleging that split ticket votes, which had always been counted before, were now illegal. "

And it wasn't??? Just because the Supreme Court (which is part of the PDP machinery,just like the press) said it was legal??? --BoricuaPR (talk) 04:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Positions?

What are the positions of this party? What issues do they support? The Jade Knight (talk) 01:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Primary backlash

After listening to Leo Díaz' speech at "Con Fuerza para Vencer", I have to dispute the quotation attributed to him. Although it is a reasonable paraphrasing of what he said, I didn't hear him use those words. In fact, he didn't speak Fortuño's name at all, that I could tell. This needs to be either changed to a proper quotation, or rewritten as a paraphrase. I would have edited it myself, but my command of Spanish (especially with a PR accent) isn't quite good enough to catch every word. --Unconventional (talk) 17:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Wrong links

Is there a reason that the links on the seat diagram go to the United States House and Senate rather than the Puerto Rican House and Senate or can I fix them? AD ASTRA SCIENTIA (talk) 22:11, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Prenominal abbreviations

The abbreviations before the names of the past leaders are unacceptable. The English Wikipedia has to be understandable to English speakers. "Dr." is obviously fine, but while I happen to know what "Sr." and "Sra." mean, it should not be expected that English speakers generally would; in any event, those two should be dropped altogether because they are unnecessary. "Ing." is what, "engineer"? "Lcdo" means "licenciado", but the entry on WP doesn't help at all to explain what it means. Not to mention that readers shouldn't be expected to google abbreviations from other languages then search for the meaning of the term. There are at least two reasonable alternatives: remove all of the prenominals or provide a key explaining them. -Rrius (talk) 03:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

New Party for Progress (NPP)

Several of the top leaders of Puerto Rico's governing party (NPP) and its government, including Gov. Luis Fortuño, the party president, and Secretary of State Kenneth McClintock, the party's chief spokesperson on the U.S. mainland,[1][2] translate "Partido Nuevo Progresista" as "New Party for Progress", rather than "New Progressive Party". They have a point because in 1967 (year of the nationally bipartisan NPP's foundation by a Republican leader) Spanish, "progresista" referred to being in favor of "progress", while the English word "progressive" in 2012 is almost synonimous to "liberal". This, New Party for Progress is a more accurate translation of "Partido Nuevo Progresista", since the NPP is a party that includes both Republican conservatives, such as Fortuño, as well as Democratic moderates, such as McClintock and Congressman Pedro Pierluisi.

I wouldn't worry about it. The U.S. "Democratic" Party has its name wrong any way, and this, even, in their own English language...for if they were indeed democráticos they would have already made Puerto Rico either into a state or into an independent, sovereign republic. There is nothing democrático about a party that looks the other way when it's time to apply to the colony the democráticos principles they so much brag they stand for. As for the Republicanos they may have their name right,,, but right for themselves, or else they, too, would had already made PR into an independednt, sovereign Republicana República. So it comes down to this: the translation doesn't really matter: the NPP is what it is, or as the gringos would say "What's in a name?" As a comparison, does it matter if your wife Elena translates her name into Ellen or into Helen? No, what ultimately matters is that she is a good wife, right? My name is Mercy11 (talk) 04:06, 29 July 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.

Title Name Change

The change from "New Progressive Party of Puerto Rico" to "New Party for Progress" (reference >>> HERE) may be a potentially controversial move. As such it should be posted at Potentially Controversial Move Requests (HERE) for discussion. Meanwhile, I reverted the attempted move, per WP:BOLD. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 13:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.

New Party for Progress

While New Progressive Party is the most frequently used translation for Partido Nuevo Progresista, "New Party for Progress" is also used. As stated in the article, the use of the word "progressive" can lead readers to believe that, as in United States political usage, it refers to liberalism in socioeconomic ideological parlance when, in fact, the NPP includes a wide range of voters, from conservatives to liberals, all supportive of statehood.

• Do you have reliable sources we can use for this claim? I could only find one from the WSJ: [3] and that's about it. IIRC, this was an attempt by Fortuño to remove democratic connotations from the party's name but it never stuck. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

• I couldn't find a single place where that translation is used. Compare that with all the instances that "New Progressive Party" is used. Besides, I find Pr4ever's attempt to stick that particular translation in every single mention of the party name in several articles a little dubious. Thief12 (talk) 20:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Title

Any thoughts on changing the title of this article the "New Progressive Party (Puerto Rico)" in order to make it match other similar articles such as Popular Democratic Party (Puerto Rico), and also considering that the phrase "of Puerto Rico" does not appear to be actually part of the party name? UpperJeans (talk) 23:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

• I agree with you. stranger195 (talk • contribs • guestbook) 09:22, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

•  Warning: Please do not perform copy/paste moves. Per our user license we must retain authorship and those types of moves break our EULA. Instead, simply request a move. I don't have a problem with renaming New Progressive Party of Puerto Rico to New Progressive Party (Puerto Rico) but copy/paste moves legally endanger Wikipedia. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 16:23, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

I started the process to Move the page over the redirect.PRehse (talk) 16:28, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:14, 25 July 2017 (UTC)