Talk:New Eyes

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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• New Eyes (album) → New Eyes
•  New Eyes → New Eyes (disambiguation)

–  Neither of the other two things seem remotely notable. Use hatnotes if necessary. Unreal7 (talk) 12:09, 3 July 2014 (UTC) --Relisted. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 06:25, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

• Comment if this is moved the disambiguation page should be moved to New Eyes (disambiguation) -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:58, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - I created the dab, but with good reason, the create of the album was blocking search results for the 1932 charity supported by Jake Gyllenhall and others What is New Eyes? which has record in sources going back to the 1950s The Sight-saving Review -1954 Volumes 24 - 25 - Page 225 "New Eyes was founded in 1932 by the late Mrs. Julia Ward Terry, and is carried on by the Short Hills Junior Service League, under the chairmanship of Mrs. David Stagg. Volunteer workers sort over the piles of contributions.", The Rotarian March 1965 - Page 60 "The birth of New Eyes for the Needy dates back to 1932 and to a Red Cross food station in New York City, where Julia Ward Terry, then 65 years old, was a volunteer worker. Mrs. Terry noticed that some of the people who applied for aid could ...". The fact that the charity is now named New Eyes for the Needy doesn't change that it is still occasionally shortened to "New Eyes" in some sources "New Eyes to salute Jake Gyllenhall" "Jake Gyllenhaal Has His Eyes Out for NEW EYES" wheras New Eyes, the debut studio album by English electronic music group Clean Bandit, released 30 May 2014, is WP:RECENT, it will be some time before anyone is holding an 80th Birthday Gala for this album. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Plus there is no other article with this exact title. Calidum ^{Talk To Me} 20:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Calidum, "there is no other article with this exact title" is again opposing WP:Disambiguation; if you disagree with the policy then perhaps start a RfC to change it. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

• Support. Clear primary topic. New Eyes (album) was viewed 51,540 times in the last 90 days. In the same period, New Eyes for the Needy was viewed 597 times, and presumably not all people came there by searching for the organization's former name "New Eyes". The Dead Rider song listed on the dab page doesn't have an article, and neither does the album it's from, but Dead Rider itself only received 1307 views in the last 90 days. "New Eyes" isn't even mentioned in the article.
  

In fact, the Dead Rider song should be removed from the dab page, as there's no coverage on Wikipedia. This is really a WP:TWODABS situation between album and the much less popular charity. The dab page isn't necessary; linking it in a hat note from the primary topic would get readers to it in as few clicks as a dab page, without sending the vast majority of readers seeking the album to a dead end.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry but this is not how WP:PRIMARYTOPIC works. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is written to specifically prevent situations such as counting an avalanche of May-June-July page views for a May 2014 pop album over a 1932-2014 charity for the partially sighted. The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in books is clearly the charity, even if by 2017 the Clean Bandit gets established as a classic album, which is a 100-1 scenario, the charity will still be the encyclopaedic topic, and if this is a textbook case of why we we don't take the temperature of pop products at their peak. btw @Victor falk: there are 5 "New Eyes" topics mentioned in articles, and on dab, not two. Remove the Dead Rider song from dab (I have done so) and it's still going to require a 4 topic hatnote on the Clean Bandit album if the dab page is deleted. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:36, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Getting readers where they want to go is exactly how WP:PRIMARYTOPIC works. There are now some more entries on the dab page since my initial !vote, so it shouldn't be deleted, but still nothing comes close to challenging this album as the primary topic. Mu Performing Arts mentions something called "New Eyes" and had 488 views in 90 days. There's no article for the Ten Inch Men song or the album it's on, and the group's page had only 708 views in 90 days. Finally, the Clean Bandit song is covered at this article, which had over 51,000 page views and is the primary topic. Even the dab page had 15,809 page views, 6x more than all the other topics combined. When the vast majority of readers searching for a term intend the same article, we should accommodate them.--Cúchullain ^t/c 03:37, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Cuchullain, we disagree, any WP:RECENT pop album will always have more views at its peak in the charts than an 80 year old charity, or in fact 80 year old anything. But at least we agree on something; the dab page stays, based on the 3 pre-existing topics prior to the creation of the 2014 album. Which means this move needs to be re-listed with a multimove template. We perhaps might also consider whether the charity needs to move to New Eyes (organization) per WP:COMMONNAME given their logo. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:56, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

• Support per Cuchullain Superfluous and parenthetical dab situation covered by WP:TWODABS. ^walk victor falk ^talk 21:55, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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track listing?

This album seems to have a significantly altered track listing in digital distribution. Cf. https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/new-eyes/id937290145

I am unfamiliar with the group or album, and do not know the history of this change, but there it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hraesvelgr (talk • contribs) 20:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

@Hraesvelgr: I've added it now. The group re-issued their album but changed the track listing for the United States and Canada. — Usfun8991 (talk) 23:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

@Usfun8991: Thanks for the info! --Hraesvelgr (talk) 03:19, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

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Reference to Lilo & Stitch?

Currently, there is a note stating '"Rather Be" contains the line "There's no place I rather be" and was used in "Hawaiian Roller Coaster Ride" from Lilo & Stitch.' Is this actually relevant, or should this be removed? --MooseBlaster (talk) 15:10, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

2015 re-release

I've updated this article to include information about the 2015 re-release of New Eyes. This version of the album has replaced the original in both physical record shops and on streaming services, at least here in the UK, so I think it's important to mention it.

The special edition and 2015 versions of the album have different cover art to the original release. Perhaps this would be worth adding too? CaptainCharlesRyder (talk) 01:34, 7 November 2022 (UTC)