Talk:New Administrative Capital

Name

I don't think "proposed" belongs in the title. There seems to have been a lot of planning already done and so it seems like this projects is planned not simply proposed.

Suggested new titles (in my order of preference):

1. New Egyptian capital city
2. New capital of Egypt
3. New Egyptian capital

Thoughts? AHeneen (talk) 02:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't think we can call it the Egyptian capital until it actually is. Hopefully, a name will be decided on in the near future, and we will be able to pagemove to that. Formerip (talk) 18:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

@AHeneen and FormerIP: I agree with AHeneen in that the city is not just proposed and that the title should reflect it. However I agree with Formerip that we can't call it the "new capital" until it really is, or until "New Capital of Egypt" or such has become a WP:COMMONNAME in international media. For now, I propose to move the article to Planned new capital of Egypt. --PanchoS (talk) 18:39, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Map

Maybe add the current capital to the map. Doyna Yar (talk) 15:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

New Cairo

Probably this article should be merged with New Cairo. --Emaus (talk) 15:50, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

No. This is a completely different development and should not be merged with New Cairo, which was planned and built at least two decades ago. It is next to, not a part of New Cairo. It will be an extension of the metropolitan area, as New Cairo, 6th of October and 10th of Ramadan were years ago. It will be a part of tne Cairo metropolitan area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.241.43.53 (talk) 14:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 13 July 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved  — Amakuru (talk) 22:22, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed new capital of Egypt → Cairo Capital – the project name as seen on its webpage and reported in media as of late Simen113 (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

• Comment. The project's website uses the form "The Capital Cairo", rather than "Cairo Capital". —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 17:15, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
• Don't move The name of the company behind the planned city uses "The Capital Cairo" for their website's name. However, the website does not provide a name for the city, just "the city", "a new capital city", "the new capital city", or "this new capital city". The project was announced in March 2015, but the most recent information in the article about the progress on constructing the new city is: "In September 2015 Egypt cancelled the MoU signed with the UAE’s Mohamed Alabbar during the March economic summit since they did not make any progress with the proposed plans." Based on the article, it is not clear what progress has been made on this project. I think the title should remain the same until there is an official name for the city or there is a common name (see the article naming guideline WP:COMMONNAME) for the new city. AHeneen (talk) 03:03, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

According to several sources, funding amounting to several billion dollars has been acquired from China, so it seems to progress. As for the previous comment, "Capital Cairo" is used interchangeably with "The Capital Cairo". I would posit that this short name used on the project's own website is better than the currently somewhat long name.--Simen113 (talk) 14:37, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose – Name is not established in journalistic or official sources yet. Current descriptive name is instantly more informative to readers. — JFG ^talk 14:44, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

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no official name

Why was the name (city of Wedian) referred to as a name for the capital ? - So far no official decision has been issued to change the name currently used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egy writer (talk • contribs) 12:55, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Currently the article is in a mess as to this:

• The page has just been renamed "New Administrative Capital", and this given as the primary name in the lead, with the implication that this is the official title of the project, but no source has been given.
• It then goes on to say "also known as Wedian", which doesn't in itself say anything about the status of this name, but it looks a bit out of place with the further mention of the name near the end of the same paragraph.
• The infobox gives the name as "Wedian", as if it's the confirmed official name.
• OTOH, the second paragraph in the body text states that it's "yet-unnamed".

This needs tidying up. Does anybody who knows more about this than I do fancy taking it on? — Smjg (talk) 10:46, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

@Sir Magnus: I see you made some of these updates - can you provide insight? — Smjg (talk) 07:48, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

@Smjg: Sorry, yes, I did make some of them. If you look at the infobox, it's the common name is 'Wedian' and the official name is 'New Administrative Capital'. I think that is the official name, I'll get some sources. I have found sources referring to the new city as 'Wedian', I think that's sourced. I'll clean up that first bit as best I can, removing "also known as Wedian" bit. Sorry again for the mess and confusion. Feel free to trout. Sir Magnus (talk) 09:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Just sourced ‘New Administrative Capital’ and removed the ‘Also known as’ bit, and done the same with the infobox. Not too sure what to do about ‘yet-unnamed’ – it hasn’t been officially named, but it seems to be common knowledge that it will be called ‘Wedian’. Should it be removed, or left as it is? Sir Magnus (talk) 09:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Definitely removed, the city has no name and it has been mentioned multiple times on Egyptian government websites and on Egyptian news sources that the government has launched a competition to choose a new name and logo, and that no date has yet been set for when the name is going to be announced. Ziad Rashad (talk) 010:43, 12 December 2020 (UTC+2)

References

"Wedian" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wedian. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. — Smjg (talk) 12:50, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

New Memphis is a proposed name

Noy only by a random person on a Reddit thread and another random person in a comment on a news story, it has been proposed by a lot of egyptians. The youtuber "Neo Cairo" named the city "New Memphis" in their videos. In facebook there ara many people who also wants the city's name to be "New memphis" I never said it was an official name, just a proposed name. If you remove "New memphis" also remove "Wedian" because "Wedian" is also not official, the sources are unofficial articles from 2016 when in 2019 the government launched a contest to choose a name. The new capital will not be called "Wedian".

Reporting here your own observations that "Pharaonism activists have proposed" is original research, not permitted on Wikipedia, a tertiary source meant to aggregate information from secondary sources. It isn't itself a secondary source reporting editors' own observations, findings, analyses, or conclusions. Largoplazo (talk) 17:27, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

We don't care about Facebook or random Egyptians, when it gets covered in multiple sources meeting WP:RS that will be the time. And please stop adding your flag. Doug Weller talk 17:28, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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capital not have a male-oriented name (creates tension)

Not the largest city of a St6ate/Country

Call new Capital as< > NEW CAIRO</ > befitting name 161.11.160.136 (talk) 21:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Cost

"It is planned that the transfer of parliament, presidential palaces, government ministries and foreign embassies will be completed between 2020 and 2022, at a cost of USD 45 billion."

Aside from this having 'needs update' and 'citation needed', the final part of this sentence is out of place. This city is being built in Egypt, not the United States, so why has this been given only in USD? It seems this has been copied from the Australian news source, but that doesn't excuse it. Giving it in the relevant country's currency is dictated by both MOS:CURRENCY and common sense. This brings us to another issue: the Egyptian pound has markedly changed in value over the last decade. Any bright ideas for what we can do with this statement now (besides removing it)? — Smjg (talk) 01:58, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

IMHO this is the only official cost given over the last seven years, as its budget has been vague. Therefore this should be emphasised that it was an estimated 'cost' in 2015. It was also given in USD so max put in brackets EGP at the time next to USD, epecially given the wild devaluation of the pound since, USD:EGP in:

2015 7.6 2022 24.5ish — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ypedia1 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

POMED (Project on Middle East Democracy) report on the NAC

• POMED Report Looks At Al-Sisi’s $58 Billion New Capital City: A Bubble About to Burst?, by Zachary White and Amy Hawthorne, June 7, 2023

The full report:

• Report – Al-Sisi's Bubble in the Desert: The Political Economy of Egypt’s New Administrative Capital, by Sarah Taweel, June 7, 2023

Key findings include:

• "Despite al-Sisi’s repeated insistence that “the Egyptian state won’t pay a penny” for the NAC, most of the funds spent so far have indeed come from the public coffers"
• "Regime insiders are raking in enormous benefits from the NAC. The armed forces, above all, are profiting to the tune of billions of dollars."
• "Construction and real estate development companies with close ties to the regime—some well established, some new and opaque—are also profiting from lucrative no-bid contracts. Members of the security apparatus are deeply integrated into these patronage networks and profit circles, whether as shareholders, supervisors, suppliers, or middlemen."
• "Foreign companies are reaping profits as well. These companies are complicit in weighing down the Egyptian state’s books with debt and redirecting its scarce resources to expensive showpiece projects that are prioritized over less glamorous, essential social spending."

None of these conclusions are really very surprising, but this is, AFAIK, the first actual report on it. Does anyone feel like adding it to the article? Huldra (talk) 22:11, 8 June 2023 (UTC)