Talk:Naples, Florida

New Photo?

Hey (my username is ORBJ)... I hate that shitty blurry picture of the coastland mall that is present at the top of the article. How about a replacement? I would rather have something more attractive than the mall which is the wart of naples. How about

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeremyorban/377732589/

or

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeremyorban/331435765/in/photostream/

or

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeremyorban/330682535/in/photostream/

?

These are all my photos and any of them would be free to use on the page. At least it's something better than the Naples "skyline". Opinions?

The picture from "Coastland Center" is actually pointing at Park Shore Shopping Center which is 3mi North of the Mall. I have changed the caption on the picture to reflect this. Tsubasa 20:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

False Information

Billie Joe Armstrong is already married to Adrienne. That is false information about his fiance. And I live in Naples, never heard of him living here.

Hopefully someone has a source for that entire paragraph. Added templates that indicate lacking sources. 207.30.145.6 12:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The climatic data (average temperature, precipitation totals) are inaccurate. Please consult the NWS Miami data for much more accurate information. For example, the average high temperature in Naples in Jan is 75, not 68. The average high in July is 91, not 86. The precipitation averages for the summer months are understated, as well. -Kris Foster, meteorologist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.155.78 (talk) 19:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Sean Cullen is mentioned as a resident. This Sean Cullen is a Canadian comedian, but the article lists him as a football player.--198.179.173.2 (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Area Attractions

I've tried, but I can't find any inspiration. The second half of this section reads straight of a brochure from a travel agent. Anyone want to take a stab at fixing it?Trevormartin227 21:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I took out the repeated "huge," "countless," and other flowery generalizations, but it needs more work from someone more familiar with the area (who's willing to treat this like an encyclopedia article and not a PR puff piece).65.96.180.86 05:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I have added the re-write tag to this section. Judging by the numerous uncited "facts" and the remaining PR-style of writing present, it is this editor's opinion that the section still needs major, major work. Trevormartin227 13:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't the Naples Zoo, aka Jungle Larry's, up here? Is it still around? Smart Mark Greene 03:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

History

Hey Don't forget to include the Swamp Buggy Races!!!149.161.20.53 23:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)Snakebite149.161.20.53 23:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah! I had forgotten all about the Swamp Buggy Races! --Smart Mark Greene 04:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

I think a trivia section for naples would be appropriate, for instance I have heard (yet to confirm yet) that Naples is the only city in the world to have two Ritz Caroltons. KurtFF8 04:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• Seems kind of irrelevent...aside from the fact that it's not true. Atlanta, New Orleans, Boston, New York, and Washington DC all have two Ritz-Carlton hotels. Not to mention that Beijing, Hong Kong, and Dubai all have two as well. Here is a link: [1] Trevormartin227 17:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Well that's why I posted it here on the discussion first, thanks KurtFF8 20:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe the second Ritz resort is the first of its kind as it was designed as a golf resort. Also I've seen documentaries on the Travel Channel about the first Ritz hotel in Naples, but I don't know if that is very notable. WillMcC 19:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Still, only a VERY limited amount of cities in the world have two(2)Ritz Carleton in their stable!!!216.221.73.39 20:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC) The Fan!

Naples used to be the only city in the US with two Ritz Carltons but the Ritz chain bought out other chains and numerous cities have now had others built. It is still the city with the closes two Ritz Carlton's, at least as far as I can measure using Google Maps. Jcochran (talk) 19:03, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Here's my two cents worth

Naples is home to parts of two major land reserves, the Corkscrew Swamp Sanctuary and the Everglades National Park. The Corkscrew Swamp Sanctuary is known not only for it's 11,000 acres of landscape and wildlife, but for a two and a half mile length boardwalk spread throughout the sanctuary^[2]. The Naples area is also home to the Naples Zoo at Caribbean Gardens, which dates back to 1919^[3].

Naples is part of the market for the Florida Everblades ECHL hockey team, the Florida Firecats af2 arena football team, and the Florida Flame NBDL Basketball team, sharing the market Fort Myers and Lee County^[4].

The city is served by the Naples Municipal Airport, whose only year-round commercial carrier is Delta Connection, which flies to Atlanta^[5]. Southwest Florida International Airport, in South Fort Myers, handles the vast majority of commercial air traffic in and out of the region, with 7.5 million passengers making their way through the airport in 2005^[6].

Naples is home to an estimated 250 Fortune 500 CEOs. ^[7]

Downtown Naples is home to the 5th Avenue South and 3rd Street South shopping districts, which feature a variety of antique shops^[8]. Gallery Row, also downtown, is a concentration among the numerous art galleries spread throughout the downtown area^[9]. The Philharmonic Center of the Arts, located in North Naples, has played host to celebrities including Bill Cosby, and musical talents from across the globe^[10]. The Naples Players, the Naples Philharmonic Orchestra, The Philharmonic Center of Naples, Sugden Theater, and the other cultural attractions in Naples makes the area "The top small art town in America"^[11].

With more than 80 championship golf courses, Naples is the self-titled "Golf Capitol of the World", claiming to have more holes per capita than any other community^[12][13].

Naples schools are part of the Collier County School District, which includes several of the state's top-ranked schools. Barron Collier High School is the only school in Collier County to make Newsweek's 2006 list of top U.S. high schools^[14]. Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university established in the U.S. since 1963, is located northeast of the city^[15]. Florida Gulf Coast University is in Estero, located between the cities of Bonita Springs and Fort Myers to the north.

Rewrite Above

Does this meet the criteria deemed necessary by the tag on the main page? - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 03:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I would say yes, but that's just one editor's opinion. Trevormartin227 13:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I tried to add some more references and such, and rewrote some of the main content. But otherwise, it's the same old content. Glad to know it's a good rewrite for one person. What I'm wondering about is the ? superscripts. I couldn't find references for those. - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 01:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the standard practice then, to take it out of the main article until it can be verified? That was my intention originally when I added the tag. Trevormartin227 14:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I would tend to agree with you. I am now going to do two things: Take the unverified information from the article rewrite on the talk page, and then replace the existing segment with the rewritten segment. - Jake - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 04:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, I'm not liking the current article layout. Some of the sections are useless and/or redundant. I also don't think that, once the article is fully cited, that anything should be allowed to stay unverified. The article's been largely ignored because of the work needed. I'm now actually putting forth some effort and I would hope it would stay in order. - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 04:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Notable Residents

Sgt. Slaughter was removed from "notable residents" because I didn't cite a source...I'm not really sure how to do this. I know he lives there because my father has seen him at the store he works at many times, and I also have a friend who is a wrestling promoter that was going to use him on a show, and confirmed that Slaughter lives in my hometown. Is that enough?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Smart Mark Greene (talk • contribs)

No, that is original research. Please read the policy on verifiability. You will need to find a report published in a reliable source that you can cite in order to include the information in an article. Also, please sign your comments on talk pages by placing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comment. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 10:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

This isn't really the kind of thing I was looking for, but would this work? http://sportscardsheriff.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t51688.html ? I'm guessing no, since this isn't really verifiable, but it doesn't hurt to ask... --Smart Mark Greene 19:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll wait to say yea or nay on that source until Donald's reply. I was the one that reverted your addition. I just did a rewrite of a section here and it had tons of unverified listings in it. I posted here and the call was made to outright remove all unverified listings (all of them). As long as the article still has "This article does not cite its sources," everything must have sources. - Jake - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 20:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Our guideline on reliable sources does rule out that sort of source. See particularly the section on Using online and self-published sources. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 01:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'll wait and see if I can find a better source. If I happen to be on a wrestling show with Slaughter (this could conceivably happen, I work as a referee occasionally) and he verbally confirms that he lives there, would that help at all? --Smart Mark Greene 04:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

No, that's still original research. The policy is that everything put into an article must be verifiable from published reliable sources. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 10:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I added Peter Thomaes because he is a well known narrator for documentaries. I have read several sources (including his wiki article) that says he lives with his wife in Naples.

Haven't looked for sources yet, but Ben Bova and Larry Bird (I think) both live in Naples. --Galaxiaad 20:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I added some {{fact}} tags to the residents without citations in Wikipedia. Please find sources or I will remove it. - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 21:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed Larry Bird, he sold his place a few years ago: [16], Added Ben Bova, he and his wife are long-time residents and columnists for the Naples Daily News. [17], Added Bill Rasmussen, founder of ESPN Jcochran (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: Larry Bird. That is incorrect. He listed his place in 2006 but did not sell it and took it off the market. Please check Collier County Apprasier; it is still owned by Larry Joe Bird (of Terre Haute, IN). It is in a trust with another name also mentioned (may be representative or affairs handler). The home in Park Shore was purchased in 1998. He tore it down in 2001 and built the current home. Family has been there in person to confirm it is still actively owned by Bird. Jswfl09 (talk) 21:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Why hasn't anyone listed former US Senator Dick Gephardt? He lives in Pelican Bay. Judge Judy (already listed) is a regular at Costco off Naples Blvd - she too lives in Pelican Bay. Also, Warren Buffett is often seen dining at Mel's Diner. Leaves a $5 tip according to the servers.

Note: Dick Gephardt was never a senator. He was majority leader in the US House. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.89.43 (talk) 17:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

(moved from top of section - new comments customarily placed at end of section)

"Papa" John Schnatter has a vacation home there that his wife mostly stays in at the Pelican Bay resort community. I have delivered pizzas there and have seen him at the airport on Airport-Pulling Rd. Coming in for the weekends. 71.31.24.165 (talk) 18:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

You cannot use personal observations or experience as a source in Wikipedia. That is prohibited by our policy banning origianl research. You will need to cite a reliable published source. -- Donald Albury 01:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

This is a ridiculously long list and I'm guessing that a large percentage do not actually live in the City of Naples but instead live in unincorporated Collier County or in Lee County. Further, it's probably out of date and for these two reasons needs some cleanup. The Collier County Property Appraiser website would be a good resource for determining if these "celebrities" in fact live in the City of Naples full time (eg home within the corporate limits of the City of Naples see map site here: http://napgis.naplesgov.com/staticmaps/ and taking the homestead exemption to demonstrate domicile/primary residence). http://www.collierappraiser.com/ Bromeliad39 (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

For most places I leave a resident in place if the person's WP article says they live there. Since Naples the city is so small compared to "greater Naples", that doesn't work very well here. Reliable sources are crucial to establish residency, but rarely give street addresses. -- Donald Albury 10:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Despite of the size of the City of Naples relative to Collier County, facts are facts no matter how fine the detail. A problem is the status symbol of living in "Naples" which causes many people to inaccurately claim residency in Naples. Because of this, I think the safer bet would be to list Southwest Florida or just Florida on their WP page if we can't determine an address.

The status factor causes a disconnect between what is the actual City of Naples - what makes one a "Naples Resident" - and Collier County or Southwest Florida. This WP page is about the city of Naples - not the surrounding areas of unincorporated Collier County. In fact, there are a number of pages created such as North Naples, East Naples, Pelican Bay, or Bonita Springs that are more appropriate places to put these people.

At the end of the day, I would suggest that WP articles of individuals are incorrect if their subjects do not actually live in the city of Naples. The same would apply for Manhattan vs. New York State, NJ, or CT; or Chicago, Boston, DC or etc vs their suburbs. While residency is difficult to establish, the Naples Daily News prints articles (secondary source so should be usable) on real estate transactions. If the resident's name is listed, it would show whether he/she is a Naples Resident or not. Further, these "residents" may not claim domicile/residency in Florida and should therefore be removed from a "Resident" section. Bromeliad39 (talk) 13:55, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

@Bromeliad39: I know I'm replying to a comment from 6 years ago but I do want to note that it can be confusing to citizens on the definition of what is within the city limits versus the unincorporated county. I even say that as someone who got into an argument about it on here years ago and now works in a position related to county planning. It doesn't help that zip codes can be used to describe a region outside of what the actual city limits and US Census defined areas. I'm surprised they established North Naples to the point where it's now on Interstate 75 signage as the usage of Naples could be used all the up to the northern edge of Collier County which is right by Bonita Springs. Also, would it be hard to see if they established "residency" especially for the state of Florida? Let's be honest: these are usually winter homes for people and that can be found from US Census on Housing Vacancies and Homeownership. I guess it's just always side with caution on the section and that goes with any city article. Just providing some thought. – TheGridExe (talk) 15:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

• A good example of what you are talking about is Florida Gulf Coast University. Its mailing address is Fort Myers, but it's far from the city limits of Fort Myers and just barely outside the town limits of Estero. We don't list it in the article about the city of Fort Myers, but we do list it in the one about Lee County. It's tough when sources say "Naples resident", because it doesn't tell us they live in the actual city. BTW, I recently cleaned out a lot of notable residents that weren't sourced. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@Niteshift36: I'm pretty sure that's where argument has come in the past with me haha. (I think even with the concept of the Fort Myers city limits.) FGCU is indeed in Estero but has the Fort Myers zip code. It originally was going to be build near Colonial Blvd before it was decided at Alico Rd which might explain the reason but I really don't want to see what the Alico Quarry did as an exchange with the development of FGCU. – TheGridExe (talk) 18:18, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Our disagreement was around baseball stadiums and the city limits :) 18:39, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

tags

I moved the tag for Unreferenced to the Local History section. All the other sections are cited. It seems to be the only section that needs referenced. Also, when do we know if the article has been cleaned appropriately? - Jake - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 21:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Local history section

The section had been tagged as unsourced for six months with no attempt to add citations of sources. Per the verifiability policy, none of the material may be re-added to article until citations to reliable sources have been made. -- Donald Albury 03:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture

This picture is just not acceptable. "Hidden skyline" ? Are you kidding me? A better picture of Naples is needed. The beach perhaps with the "hidden skyline" in view. Perhaps a picture of the Naples Pier. Douglasr007 21:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

I went through the article and updated the population data, added a note about Naples being the county seat (an odd omission), formatted most of the citations correctly (using the {{cite web}} or {{cite news}} templates), cleaned out some of the linkspam in the external links section, and removed a bunch of external links from the main body of the article. As per the Wikipedia Manual of Style, external links should not be in the body of the article. Additionally, many of the links served no purpose other than to confirm the existence of the shopping areas in question; they were simply commercial links that added little to no context for the article. I also reorganized the sections to conform to the standard at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities. Horologium t-c 04:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

County seat is in unincorporated East Naples

Unless the city of Naples has done some annexation, the county governmental complex at 3301 E. Tamiami Trail, Naples, FL 34112, which is the county seat, is in unincorporated East Naples, Florida. The post office does not recognize East Naples as a separate place. After moving from Everglades City, Florida the county first gave its address as 3301 Tamiami Trail, East Naples. Then it put a comma after East and put it on the same line as the street address. Then it moved the East to between 3301 and Tamiami Trail. Being the county seat is important to a city or town and most that are let the world know that they are. The City of Naples does not. Its website makes no mention of its being the county seat. clariosophic 20:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The von liebig art center

Someone made a The von liebig art center, apparently a ghastly datadump. In its current state it's sure to get deleted, but perhaps some knowledgable person might be able to rescue an encyclopedic stub out of it? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Bill Gates

Accoring to this article Bill Gates is a famous native of Naples, Florida. While on his Wikipedia article it says he was born in Seattle...

//sebbex —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebbex (talk • contribs) 22:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

List of Elementary Schools?

This list is missing some schools such as Big Cypress Elementary and I believe Corkscrew.Xx1994xx (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC).

Do you have a WP:RS:reliable source that shows that those schools are in the city of Naples, or at least serve students who live in the city? Remember, this article is about the incorporated City of Naples, and not about any suburbs or the unincorporated area of Collier County. -- Donald Albury 10:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Well considering the fact that that i live here i can say there is no naples city, all it is just a bunch of suburb areas put together and the only part that would be considered "naples city" has barely a residential area so does it really matter? plus you have other schools on the list that are in suburbs such as golden gate high school.Xx1994xx (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC).

Wrong. Naples is a city - the rest of the area that you and must refer to as "Naples" is actually unincorporated Collier County with a Naples mailing address. So many have a hard time understanding this (it is strange - don't get me wrong). If you look at the picture on the top right of the main Naples page, you will see where the boundaries of Naples city proper are. Remember, they have their own police force and some other departements and then they source out the rest to Collier County. - Jswfl09 19:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

This article is not to be a list/repository of all Public Schools in Collier County, Florida. The problem with Collier County is that since the City of Naples was established years ago, real estate agents promoting developments throughout Collier (the largest county in the state) have inaccurately referred to homes all over the area as in "Naples." This is not unlike what is done in places like Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte, Chicago, etc where residents of unincorporated areas (or incorporated suburbs) refer to the area by the name of the principal city.

Because this is an article about the City of Naples rather than Collier County, it would be most accurate to focus within the city limits. Many residents and real estate agents refer to places - particularly north of Immokalee Road - as "Naples" when in fact they are actually closer to (and by proximity logic should be referenced as) Bonita Springs. (Bromeliad39 (talk) 16:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC))

North Naples, Florida page

I created a page for North Naples, Florida because so many of the edits (and some of the information that remains) in this article more appropriately belongs in a North Naples article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromeliad39 (talk • contribs) 23:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

New Mayor, Febuary 15, 2012

John Sorey replaced Bill Barnett as mayor on February 15, 2012. Two references cited below:

Naples Daily News Website: February 15, 2012

Official City of Naples Website: Meet the City Council

Jbferg (talk) 22:49, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

References

What the heck is "Royal Fakapalm"?

The Google Maps database contains a location named "Royal Fakapalm." If you zoom out far enough, Google Maps displays Royal Fakapalm as if it were a major city in south Florida (see http://goo.gl/maps/9uiRL). It's about 24 miles east of Naples.

Even more curiously, the Geographic Names Information System contains no information about Royal Fakapalm, which is very unusual for locations in the Google Maps database.

Even more curiously, if you zoom in far enough, you see that there are absolutely no buildings at this location. The only thing nearby is a little road named "Janes Scenic Drive" (see http://goo.gl/maps/6vrjV).

I wonder if somebody inserted this into the Google Maps database as a joke? Maybe somebody with local knowledge could provide some insight.174.24.50.139 (talk) 15:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

It's an official county "planning community", or at least was in 2003 (p. 11). It's mostly Florida swampland, but there's a bit of sprawl out there. --NE2 07:06, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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Climate

While I can find web sites that classify places along the southwest Florida coast, including Naples, as having a "tropical savannah climate", the WP article Florida climate has a map placing the area in the "humid subtropical" zone. Whichever climate classification is used, it needs to have a citation to a reliable source. - Donald Albury 14:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I have noticed this as well. The source by the classification of Naples as a tropical climate says that a tropical climate has an average of at least 64.4 degrees in all months but the weather box provided shows that the city has a January average of 63.9 degrees putting it in the subtropical zone. It seems like all of the information on the page doesn't line up.50.202.217.173 (talk) 19:52, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

You have to be careful to not perform synthesis. Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material states,

Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be improper editorial synthesis of published material to imply a new conclusion, which is original research performed by an editor here.

Since the source explicitly says that Naples has a tropical climate, that is what we use, even if other statements in the source imply that Naples does not meet all of the qualifications for having a tropical climate. If you can find other reliable sources that explicitly say that Naples has some other climate, then we can discuss the proponderance of sources, and maybe indicate that reliable sources disagree. But we do need explicit statements from reliable sources. We cannot work through some sort of calculus to determine what Naple's climate is. That would be original research. - Donald Albury 21:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

That is perfectly fine. I have no intention of violating this. However, it seems that someone should change the weather box which is not from the original source to match the original source. The goal should be to make the page informative and not to cause confusion by using two sources that make two different conclusions. Especially since there is a month by month weather breakdown provided in the original source that meets the same conclusion of a Tropical climate. It appears that another editor decided to use a different source for the weatherbox that implies a different conclusion than the original source which has information that would be beneficial and is explicitly provided. Does this make since?50.202.217.173 (talk) 17:46, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, now I see what you are saying. I was unable to reach past climate data using one of the cited sources, and the other citation downloaded a file which I was unable to interpret at a quick glance. While I sometimes will search for a usable source to cite in situations like this, this one is not grabbing me today. Maybe I'll come back to it later. - Donald Albury 18:46, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Great. Thank you for clearing that up.50.202.217.173 (talk) 18:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)