Talk:NCAA Division I men's swimming and diving championships

1999 Championship

Michigan did not win the National Championship in 1999. Would you mind changing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3085:5F80:A953:277F:B7F5:6837 (talk) 01:51, 23 March 2015 (UTC) Done. Thank you.Montell 74 (talk) 06:41, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

The NCAA should count the 13 "unofficial" NCAA swimming team titles. Here's why.

Consider the following table. It begs the question of why the NCAA does not count the 13 "unofficial" NCAA swimming team titles in the totals for Michigan, Northwestern and Navy, while for other sports, all such tabulations of a school's totals do include the unofficial team titles.

It is incredulous that, while the NCAA seemingly arbitrarily excludes from its count 13 swimming titles for events that it did sponsor (note that national titles were reported in the popular press at the time without any qualification), it also includes 41 team titles for events that it did not sponsor, some of which happened before the NCAA was even founded. I'm referring to men's golf — no other NCAA sport is treated this way. The NCAA did not sponsor the golf championship until 1939, when it took over for the long-established National Intercollegiate Golf Association. But as it does count pre-NCAA golf, then what about NCAA men's swimming?

Why does the NCAA count 20 other "unofficial" titles in other sports among all its member schools' total championships listed in the annual NCAA record book? But then not for swimming? The NCAA is anything but consistent.

	Unofficial NCAA Championship Years				NCAA Division I Team Titles (as of May 29, 2015)
School	Swimming	Boxing	Wrestling	Track & Field	# Unofficial	# Official	Total titles credited
Catholic		1938			1	0	1
Idaho		1940, 1941			2	1	3
Illinois				1927	1	17	18
Indiana			1932		1	23	24
Iowa State			1933		1	12	13
Michigan	1927, 1928, 1931, 1932, 1934, 1935, 1936				7	36	36
Navy	1925, 1926				2	5	5
Northwestern	1924, 1929, 1930, 1933				4	8	8
Oklahoma State			1928, 1931, 1933		3	48	51
Penn State		1932			1	45	46
Stanford				1925	1	106	107
Syracuse		1936			1	12	13
USC				1926	1	99	100
Virginia		1938			1	21	22
Washington State		1937			1	1	2
West Virginia		1938			1	17	18
Wisconsin		1939, 1942, 1943, 1947			4	24	28
Number	13	12	5	3	33	475	495

Jeff in CA (talk) 17:20, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

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