Talk:My 60 Memorable Games

Criticism section?

Is this worth adding? IMHO, as a mere 1850 Elo, Fischer is sometimes too generous to himself viz:- Game 38 against Keres he misses a clean win on move 33 but gives himself neither a ? nor even a ?! for this error; Any thoughts, fellow editors? SmokeyTheCat 10:31, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Chess authors differ in their use of punctuation. Some probably would give a question mark. I guess Fischer thought as he won the game anyway a few moves later, it wasn't a bad move as such. "Not the best" is not the same as bad or dubious. Some might call it "annotation by result" but I don't think it's noteworthy enough to mention in the article. It is such a highly regarded book that a criticism section would not be justified. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:57, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Are there published commentators that state that such a mildly disagreeable lack of punctuation diminishes the quality of the book? If not, then there's not much to discuss. --SubSeven (talk) 16:54, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Editions

Bu Xiangzhi mentions a translation into Chinese. It might be useful to mention that in this article. If anyone knows more information about it or can suggest where I might look, that would be helpful. Also, there may be other editions in other languages. Bruce leverett (talk) 03:10, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

This is the translation by Lin Feng, former secretary general of the Chinese Chess Association. See also Winter's Chess Notes under "My 60 Memorable Games (translations)". Cobblet (talk) 04:14, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

List the games?

Given the importance of the work in chess literature, it might be appropriate to list the 60 games, but I don't want to start adding them only to get reverted for WP:UNDUE or whatever. Would this be a useful addition to the article? MaxBrowne (talk) 10:17, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion, yes. As you say, it's one of the classics so it may be more appropriate than with a more run of the mill collection. And 60 is a manageable number. It could also serve as a useful navigational tool, as nearly all of the opponents will have their own articles.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:27, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

How about this for a format? Or would it dominate the article too much?

#	Color	Opoonent	Event	Year	Opening	Moves	Result
1	W	James Sherwin	New Jersey Open	1957	Sicilian Defense, 2.Nf3 e6 3.d3 (B40)	33	1-0
2	W	Bent Larsen	Interzonal, Portorož	1958	Sicilian Dragon, Yugoslav Variation (B77)	31	1-0
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MaxBrowne (talk) 01:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't think it would dominate if it's placed at the end of the article, after the main text. But I would like to hear other opinions - wouldn't want you to do all that work only to be reverted afterwards.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree that it wouldn't dominate the article if it were placed at the end. I am uncertain as to how useful it would be. I would not revert it myself, but I can imagine someone coming along a few years down the road and thinking, "Huh? What's this?" Bruce leverett (talk) 15:55, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Unauthorized Russian version

The 1972 Russian translation is available online at http://padaread.com/?book=78395. It looks to me like the section about Fischer's playing style is by A. Suetin, not by Igor Zaitsev. (It starts on page 229.) Am I making a mistake? Bruce leverett (talk) 21:01, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes definitely Suetin. Would be interesting to translate and get a Soviet perspective on Fischer. MaxBrowne (talk) 21:59, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

A review in the April 1973 issue of Chess magazine (also discussing a Russian translation of Larsen's games collection) says it was Suetin. I have also seen Zaitsev reported, but I am happy with the change.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:38, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Kasparov

I can't decide whether Kasparov's quotes about the book should go in the Legacy section, alongside the views of the other GMs, or in the Russian translation section. Obviously his views are relevant to both. The full quote about that controversy is, "How ironic that his masterpiece, My 60 Memorable Games, a great influence on my chess, was presented as a sticking point." [1]--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Russian edition royalties

I think this is in Endgame but will have to check when I get a chance: apparently the Soviet publisher of the Russian edition did set aside royalties for Fischer, but they were payable in roubles which couldn't be converted to western currency in that era, so Fischer wasn't interested. Fischer's dissatisfaction is of course understandable, but the description in the article leaves out this nuance. Posting here til there's good sourcing for a fix. 2601:648:8202:96B0:A598:FF3D:8240:4E2B (talk) 03:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Use in Cinema

In the 2011 Hollywood movie, 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo', the main female character, Lisbeth Salander, is seen taking a message on her phone in a café where she has on display a copy of Bobby Fischer's 'My 60 Memorable Giames', Batsford Edition. This was intended as a plot device to build character of Salander with audiences. The Estate of Bobby Fischer has not claimed to have received any royalty from the movie industry for using his literature in the production. RobertReflex (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2022 (UTC)