Talk:Mugello Circuit

How can the SVG file get corrected?

The name of corner 3 on the SVG file is misspelled. According to the official information on www.mugellocircuit.it it should be "Poggio Secco". 74.95.46.250 (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

This is lame

Nice F1 article. Nothing about anything including the newly resurfaced track. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.82.195.17 (talk) 23:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Why is resurfacing the track important? Routine maintenance of a facility is hardly worth a mention surely? If you have information of actual import, add it. Don't be shy. --Falcadore (talk) 23:49, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Lap record

Hi guys. Please keep in mind that lap records can only been driven during a race. Hamiltons time during qualifing for the 2020 F1 race therefor can not be a lap record. In official terms this is called a track record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C04:370A:2300:D39:8771:404C:3CF0 (talk) 15:17, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@2001:1C04:370A:2300:D39:8771:404C:3CF0: Based on what source? The defintion I can find is "Noun. (plural lap records) The fastest time ever set for one lap around a particular racetrack or in a particular race." and it's the same in Wikitionary FozzieHey (talk) 15:21, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@FozzieHey: This is something quite standard to motorsport (perhaps not in some countries, but definitely in Europe and Australia). As for a reference, there are plenty around, eg this recent Autosport article [1]

"More noteworthy than simply the fastest lap during an event is the lap record, the fastest lap ever set at a track which, depending on changes in technical regulations, can remain unbroken for years.

Alongside the lap record, which must be set during a race, there is also the fastest lap recorded at any point during a grand prix weekend. This time is often set in the final part of qualifying when drivers are pushing to set a pole-winning time."

The table needs to be cleaned up to remove qualifying laps, and also the references should be to something saying it is a lap record, not just verification of the time. But this can probably wait until after the race since the lap record will almost certainly be broken in today's F1 race. That said, this article will probably get a lot of views, so it would give people the wrong idea to keep Hamilton's time as a "Lap Record". A7V2 (talk) 01:33, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

@A7V2: I don't see why we need to completely remove the table (which you will effectively do by removing qualifying laps, you'll only have F1 and F2 remaining). There are two different definitions of a "lap record" so we shouldn't just base it off of one, especially when the above defintion of a "Lap record" seems to be the most common at least online (Hence why I think the infobox has "Race lap record" and not just "Lap record" edit: In fact this is exactly why, see here). We can rename it to "Track records" if you want or "Category records" but I don't see the benefit of removing the whole table when it clearly provides some historical value. FozzieHey (talk) 08:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

As for the refs, I agree. However it's quite hard to find a source explicitly mentioning a record has been broken especially for the older ones (The MotoGP articles do mention this) so having a ref with the lap time is better than nothing in this case, then at least if there is a faster lap it can be added later. FozzieHey (talk) 08:20, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that the only official lap records are set in races.That is why there isn't a "qualifying lap record" field. The reason why it is "race lap record" is to avoid ambiguaity and avoid incorrect changes. It doesn't justifiy the inclusion of quali/practice/test times. What we need is a column in that table which says either "outright" or "race". Currently we have some kind of hybrid which is simply misleading unless we clarify (explicitly, current implicit) which are race and which aren't
SSSB (talk) 08:50, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not against renaming the header title to remove ambiguity (currently every record in there is from Qualifying, we'll see if that changes with the F1 race). I'm not against adding a separate table for Race lap records either (although that'll probably take a lot of work for historical records). The discussion I linked does mention multiple debates about this topic (hence the renaming). FozzieHey (talk) 08:52, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Zhou fastest lap citation

@Cs-wolves: Do you have a citation for Zhou's fastest lap? The F2 results page only seems to include drivers that finished and no other sources I can find list the fastest lap. FozzieHey (talk) 16:11, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Number of turns

The text says 15 turns but the map only labels 14, treating the last double bend as if it were a chicane with a single name. According to https://www.about-mugello-travel-guide.com/mugello-circuit/the-15-turns.html (and other Web sources) these turns are individually named Biondetti 1 & 2, analogous to Lesmo 1 & 2 at Monza, therefore it's the map that's incorrect. Beeflin (talk) 11:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Good spot, although both of the maps on Wikimedia Commons have 14 corners (File:Mugello_Racing_Circuit_track_map.svg and File:Circuit_Mugello_(test).png), perhaps we could ask the map's creator, @Will Pittenger:, about this. FozzieHey (talk) 12:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

It's been too long since I created that map. Sorry. Will (Talk - contribs) 19:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

It’s fine, thanks for creating it in the first place! I don’t see this as too big of an issue as it’s only a corner number. FozzieHey (talk) 21:18, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

It's not a big issue here but it would be for race reports (if corner numbers on the map and those used in the report don't coincide...) The map needs to be updated (not sure how to do it myself, otherwise I would do it).
SSSB (talk) 08:38, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I modified and uploaded the file here

File:Mugello Racing Circuit track map with 15 turns.svg

(File:Mugello Racing Circuit track map with 15 turns.svg). However I think I stuffed up the details as it's not exactly the same file as the original so I don't know who the author should be or the date... A7V2 (talk) 09:04, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Correct attribution too difficult to bother with. Sorry, I had the image speedy deleted. A7V2 (talk) 23:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok that is sorted now. I will add the image to the most recent race article(s) but not this article, if someone else wants to do that they can. If there are any other minor changes someone would like to suggest then please let me know here or on my (wikipedia) talk page. File can be found here. A7V2 (talk) 08:12, 15 September 2020 (UTC)