Talk:Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku

Untitled

C'mon, folks. Lets get the Hitler update on there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.12.133.218 (talk) 11:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Anime

Looks like there is an anime in the works: mudazumo.jp It would be great if someone who speaks Japanese could add a section to the article with info from that site. --WakiMiko (talk) 22:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Title

Apparently 82.6.75.124 thinks the title of the manga should be "Reform with no Wasted Draws". I have no familiarity with the subject at all but given that the title of the article is "The Legend of Koizumi" I assume that's the proper title. A quick search on a few anime/manga sites shows them using the "The Legend of Koizumi" title. So, assuming good faith on the part of 82.6.75.124 hopefully he/she will discuss the issue here. Meantime I'm reverting the name change and the citation needed tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bfootdav (talk • contribs) 14:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

"The legend of Koizumi" is the manga's subtitle. It's title is actually Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku which translates to Reform with no Wasted Draws.82.6.75.124 (talk) 14:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you happen to have a source you can point us to? And then doesn't this mean that we should create a new page called "Reform with no Wasted Draws" and have this page redirect to there (along with information about the subtitle -- especially since the cover of the manga shown on this page only has "Legend of Koizumi" in English)? Bfootdav (talk) 14:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

On the publishers website it's know just as Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku. http://www.takeshobo.co.jp/mgr.m/main/shohin?shohin_cd=3011201 Grapeofdeath (talk) 04:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I don't understand Japanese at all but when I ran the page through Google translation it has the phrase "The Legend of Koizumi" all over the place including the one space that looks like it's for the title. Nowhere does it mention "Reform with no Wasted Draws". Looking at animenewsnetwork.com it lists "The Legend of Koizumi" as an alternate title for the same thing written in Japanese. And again, on the cover it mentions in English "The Legend of Koizumi" but does not have "Reform with no Wasted Draws" (in English). Is it possible that you have a source that explains all this in better detail?

But even if we accept what you say, we still need to do all this differently. From what I understand about WP we would need to create a new page called "Reform with no Wasted Draws" mention prominently that it is subtitled or alternately titled "The Legend of Koizumi" (since that's how it was listed at the handful of English language sites I looked at) and have the "The Legend of Koizumi" article redirect to the new page. Then just copy everything over from this page to the new one. Make sense? I've never done all that but I think I can figure it out. But before I go to all that trouble I would like to understand this title business a lot better.

For the time being I'm not going to revert your last edit since I believe we're both acting in good faith here and nothing good can come from an edit war over this. Bfootdav (talk) 04:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

That wasn't my edit, I just thought you wanted to see the original source. I could care less what you call the page. Wait until it gets licensed and the problem will solve itself. Grapeofdeath (talk) 05:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not use unofficial translations for article titles. For manga articles, this guideline is followed, so it's either Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku (transliteration) or The Legend of Koizumi (the title most known in English). I'm leaning toward the latter. _dk (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

>The Legend of Koizumi (the title most known in English. Shouldn't you provide some references for this statement? ANN uses mudazumo for its entry, so do other anime datebase sites 82.6.75.124 (talk) 13:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I didn't realize I have to provide sources for talk pages. Actually, seeing that only the first volume of the manga has "The Legend of Koizumi", I suppose that it's not meant to be a title for the series and so mudazumo should be used. All right? actually vol 2 and 3 do use the subtitle. but whatever, what's done is done. _dk (talk) 14:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I was just asking if you have anything to backup your statement that The Legend of Koizumi is the title that's most known in the English community. 82.6.75.124 (talk) 14:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I didn't think it was necessary, something like that is not quantifiable anyways. I mean, "The Legend of Koizumi" was right there on the covers so it would make sense that this is what the publisher or author would want non-Japanese-speaking people to pronounce the title. _dk (talk) 14:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps then we should just add to the very beginning of the article something like "also known as 'Legend of Koizumi'" to cover all the bases. Bfootdav (talk) 16:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Added "also known in English as The Legend of Koizumi" Bfootdav (talk) 05:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

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