Talk:Mount Elbert

Coordinates and elevation

My apologies to whoever put in the NGS data originally, I briefly changed it back to the old figure off the topo map. However, that's why it's important to cite sources, which is what I have now put into the page. -- Spireguy 18:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Additions

Can someone include information on whom Mt. Elbert is named for/after? 64.207.54.89 (talk) 22:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Parentage?

Can anyone explain why the parentage (topographic) is listed at Mt Whitney in California? Aspengrey (talk) 15:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Infobox picture

An IP editor keeps replacing the infobox photo with one from User:Hogs555. What is the consensus of the editors? Which photo is a better illustration of Mount Elbert? Left or right?

Please express your opinion, below. Feel free to suggest other photos from Commons:Category:Mount Elbert —hike395 (talk) 06:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Bogus DYK (probably)

The 21 May 2013 DYK, cited above, contained this entry for Mount Elbert:

... that to ensure Mount Elbert (pictured) remained the highest of the Rockies, its supporters tore the top off another mountain?

This is almost certainly an error, although it is traceable to a SummitPost page on the mountain. Nearby Mount Massive, the "another mountain" referenced in the DYK, is not the kind of peak one can simply "tear the top" off of. Most likely this is a garbling of an incident that definitely did happen, involving Mount Harvard, third highest of the Colorado Fourteeners, which at one time had a large, man-made cairn on its summit from which protruded a pole alleged to stick up above Elbert's summit elevation. The cairn has been dismantled. This was a joke perpetrated by a bunch of Harvard alumni and obviously didn't affect the actual height of the mountain. (Reference for this is Borneman and Lampert, "A Climbing Guide to Colorado's Fourteeners.")

I would make the indicated change to the article, but first, if anybody does have evidence of something similar going on for Mount Massive (I do not consider the page cited in the article reliable, but other sources may be), please post here. I am aware of no such evidence despite knowing a lot about the Colorado 14ers (have climbed all three of the relevant peaks, among others), but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 01:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I do recall the pole on Mount Harvard, vaguely, but the original claim in the article (History section), which I added, is sourced to a book I own, reference 10, the Best Summit Hikes, James Dziezynski, Wilderness Press. p. 157., which I can confirm validates this claim.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 08:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I am not convinced of the accuracy of the Dzienzynski anecdote, but accurate or not, tearing down a cairn that was placed on top of a mountain is no more "tearing the top off" that mountain than knocking down any other man-made structure is "tearing down" the natural base it rests on. The top of Massive was NOT "torn off" in a struggle over the high-point designation. This DYK should never have been published. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 03:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mount Elbert/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sasata (talk · contribs) 01:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I will review this article. Comments in a few days. Sasata (talk) 01:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

• that lead sentence is quite long, please split
  •  Done
• centre->centre (US English)
  •  Done (I guess you mean "center")
• possibly useful lead links: governor of Colorado, Class 2 Level, mountaineering
  •  Done
• should probably give H.W.'s first name (Henry) to be consistent with other names presented
  •  Done
• "The mountain terrain has a varying level of difficulties" fix
  •  Done
• "under mountaineering parlance" under -> in
  •  Done
• "The northeast ridge is reported as the gentlest and the most classic." what do "gentlest" and "classic" mean in this context?
  •  Done
• "to the south from the town." from->of
  • Isn't from correct here? Observers are looking from the town.
    • Yes, you're correct. Sasata (talk) 04:31, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
• link Denver, Vail, Aspen, electrical storm
  •  Done
• provide metric conversion for 130 miles
  •  Done
• "It lies within the San Isabel National Forest." What does "It" refer to? The previous sentence discussed Leadville.
  • The mountain.  Done
• "Nearby fourteeners include Mount Massive to the north and La Plata Peak to the south." How near is nearby? Perhaps just give the distances.
  • The sentence has been reworded with link to Fourteeners and the direction is terms of Topographic isolation. The coordinates of the two peaks and Topographic isolation distances can also be included if necessary.
• "Its parent peak is Mount Whitney in California." Whose parent peak? Mount Massive or La Plata (both discussed in the previous sentence)?
  • Elbert's.  Done
• "Originally measured as 14,433 feet (4,399 m) high" when was this measured? When was the new height published? Why did changing the height spark protests? Was the protest about the change of height of this particular peak, or more generally about changing all peak levels around the world (not clear from the text).
  • Year mentioned and reference fixed
    • Thanks for adding this. However, I don't think the cited source passes muster for WP:RS ... perhaps just cite the Denver Sun article. It might also be good to mention that the actual change was made in 1988 as a result of the North American Vertical Datum of 1988; it seems the original measurement resulted from the Sea Level Datum of 1929. Sasata (talk) 04:31, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
      • Done.--Nvvchar. 14:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
• link igneous and metamorphic earlier
  •  Done
• "although Turquoise Lake has been augmented by the Sugar Loaf Dam." source?
  • I remember seeing an article, I'll have to have a look.
    • Turquoise Lake is the reservoir created by the Sugar Loaf Dam. The sentence has been reworded
• "However, the summit ridge is metamorphic basement rock; Pre-Cambrian in origin and about 1.7 billion years old;[10] there are various igneous intrusions including pegmatite, as well as "bands" of gneiss and schist." should be split into two sentences
  •  Done
• link continental plate
  •  Done
• consider abbreviating million years ago to Ma
  •  Done
• per MOS:CAPTION, image captions that are nor full sentences should not end in periods
  •  Done
• in what year did Elbert broker the treaty with the Ute?
  • Brokered in September 1873. Date mentioned and reference fixed.
• "Old-Man-of-the-Mountain" common names for plants should not normally be capitalized
  •  Done
• "Also noted are var. pullata" what species is this a variety of? Similarly is "Gentiana detonsa, var. hallii" really "Gentiana detonsa var. hallii"?
  •  Done
• "a Class 2 climb which takes ten" which->that
  •  Done
• link rock climbing, altitude sickness
  •  Done
• acclimatised->acclimatized
  •  Done
• "High altitude pulmonary edema" first two words should be hyphenated
  •  Done
• what year did the WWN story run?
  • 2006,  Done
• isbn for Roach 1999?
  •  Done - it was a duplicate of another ref with isbn

• I have further supplemented User:Gilderien clarifications on a few more issues.--Nvvchar. 01:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• although the article states "The most popular route approaches from the north, the North (Main) Elbert Trail", another source used in the article, Enright 2009, says that the south trail is most commonly used. Sasata (talk) 04:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Removed. Done♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
• is it worth mentioning (also from this last source) that the winter summit is more difficult (11 miles) due to the closure of an access road? How about mentioning in the history section about the erosion that resulted in the closure of a 3-mile section of trail in 1992?
• mention that equestrians, mountain bikers, and hunters use the Colorado Trail section?
  •  Done♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
• the image in "Ascents" needs a caption
  •  Done♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:22, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
• no mention/discussion of The Mount Elbert Gas Hydrate Site? Since 2009, there have been about two dozen research papers discussing this (e.g., see here)
  • That's in Alaska ... --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 13:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, completely unrelated to this mountain.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Ah ok... I guess I should have read further :) In that case, I think the article meets the GA criteria. All images are suitably licensed, and random spotchecks of sources did not reveal any problems. Promoting now ... Sasata (talk) 17:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your excellent review, much appreciated.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:12, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Sasata.--Nvvchar. 20:05, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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