Talk:Motusbank

Can someone please correct the citation for the CDIC press release welcoming Motus Bank? Can't figure out what's wrong. I copied the formatting exactly! Thanks! Doug Mehus (talk) 11:09, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

→Nevermind. Got it. Doug Mehus (talk) 11:14, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Article name

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Should the article be named Motus Bank per CDIC or Motusbank per its branding due to the WP:COMMONNAME policy? Me-123567-Me (talk) 02:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Which one is used more often in the cited sources? If motusbank is really the name that most people would use when prompted, than as per WP:COMMONNAME, that's the one that should be used. PraiseVivec (talk) 11:08, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

At a first glance, Motusbank has over 10K results whereas Motus Bank has 432 and asks if I meant "Motusbank." Me-123567-Me (talk) 16:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

With respect, I don't think the WP:COMMONNAME policy applies here. If you have a look at the Canadian banks and credit unions Wikipedia template, all Canadian banks and credit unions use their legal names as shown on their CDIC member directory profiles and Letters Patents of Incorporation issued by OSFI, the banking regulator, or by their provincial financial services regulator in the case of provincially-regulated credit unions.

If Motus Bank were offering a separate branded division out of one of its branches, a la Simplii Financial at CIBC or Hubert Financial at Sunova Credit Union, then that'd be a different story. However, what we have here is Motus Bank offering its services directly. The fact that they choose to remove capitalization and spacing on their name in their marketing (customer statements, cheques, official correspondence, and the like use their legal name) seems to me that motusbank is merely the accompanying logotype to their corporate logo. Therefore, we should be using Motus Bank in line with past precedent and practice here.

Moreover, the fact that one name merely produces more Google search results is just due to the fact that newspapers and blogs - hoping to curry favour with Motus Bank and win their ad spend - by adopting their brand guidelines and essentially acting like de facto press release purveyors. We should ignore that spin. Doug Mehus (talk) 20:59, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFF. Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:44, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

also, if we're using your parallels, this is more like Scotiabank and Tangerine. Tangarine has a legally sepearete bank license and is separately a CDIC member like Motusbank is. Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:48, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm glad you mentioned Tangerine Bank because, interestingly, I was going to use that as an example where it is known as Tangerine Bank. There's nothing saying we can't link to the common name via motusbank, but the actual page name should follow its legal name. Doug Mehus (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

And, with respect, I note you were the editor who originally moved the page to motusbank, so I do think you're somewhat conflicted here in trying to protect your edit with what you feel should be its page name. Doug Mehus (talk) 18:51, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - summoned by bot. I just made some minor improvements to the article, but didn't change anything related to this rfc. My vote would be to have the lede say:

motusbank is the advertising name used by the bank incorporated as Motus Bank, a federally chartered online-only bank in Canada, owned and operated by Meridian Credit Union.

TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

With all due respect, we are going against years of history and Wikipedia precedent by not using the legal name from the bank's Letters Patent. In literally every case of a federal chartered bank, trust company, or federal credit union, we have used the legal name from the Letters Patent (as per OSFI website) and from the CDIC membership directory. Even Tangerine Bank uses "Tangerine Bank" despite operating as "Tangerine". The only exception is Simplii Financial, but that's a different case. It is a virtual bank branch of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce.

Just because Me-123567-Me happened to rename the page first doesn't mean we should go with his name. If I had renamed it first, we would be arguing to keep the name as "Motus Bank". I'm not willing to let this go, but if you guys will agree to the move to "Motus_Bank," then I'll comment in support of any other pending Wikipedia page edits you have on the go. Thanks. Doug Mehus (talk) 23:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

• Comment (Summoned by bot) Motusbank would appear to be correct given its rebranding. Coretheapple (talk) 13:40, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
• Comment As far as I have seen, titles are generally per WP:COMMONNAME with the lede opening up as <full name> d/b/a <brand name>.--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 04:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I believe the name should be motusbank. Their official website brands themselves as motusbank so to remain consistent I believe this is the best option. 173.45.178.139 (talk) 21:58, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - A couple of other examples of articles named this way - Canadian Tire Financial Services & Alterna Bank. Me-123567-Me (talk) 00:35, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, your Canadian Tire Financial Services example is not a good one as, actually, that contains errors. The MasterCard is issued by Canadian Tire Financial Services, yes, but Canadian Tire Bank is a subsidiary. Also, if you look at the 2019 Annual Information Form of Canadian Tire Corp., "Canadian Tire Financial Services Ltd." no longer exists. There's a "Canadian Tire Services Ltd." subsidiary and then an intermediary shell holding company that's like "CT Services Holdings Ltd." or something that owns Canadian Tire Bank. In my view, we should be updating that one to Canadian Tire Bank with a notation that the MasterCard is issued by Canadian Tire Bank's parent company, Canadian Tire Services Ltd." Also, Canadian Tire Services Ltd. is 80% owned by CT and 20% by Scotiabank; not sure if it notes that, but it should, if it doesn't.

Alterna Bank is one example, yes, but I would still argue that the name is either Motus Bank (legal name, which they use prominently on the "About Us" webpage) or, at the very least, motus bank. The fact that motus is bolded implies that the two are separate words. Doug Mehus (talk) 18:06, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

You use the name Meridian Credit Union even though the prominent branding name is Meridian. Why are you so opposed to a minor move like this? The web redirect would remain in place. Doug Mehus (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

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Revert merge

So Dmehus (talk · contribs) decided on their own merit to merge this article into Meridian Credit Union (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) on 25 August 2019 without any discussion. I have undone that merge per WP:BOLD & WP:MERGE. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:43, 4 October 2019 (UTC)