Talk:Motion Picture Association

"Motion Picture Association" rapidly becoming the Common Name

I'm guessing that it's probably too soon for another requested move, but I see "Motion Picture Association" rapidly becoming the WP:COMMONNAME, especially among those news organizations that are particularly involved in the entertainment industry. I'm just going to document a few here for the next time this comes up:

• Clark, Dan (December 11, 2019). "US Copyright Chief to Lead Motion Picture Association Legal Team". Corporate Counsel. Retrieved December 12, 2019. Karyn Temple will begin her new role at the Motion Picture Association on Jan. 13 and be based at the organization's Washington, D.C., headquarters.
• (multiple instances, actually, but this one is typical:) Johnson, Ted (November 22, 2019). "Justice Department Files Motion To Terminate Paramount Consent Decrees". Deadline. Retrieved December 12, 2019. The DOJ received 82 comments as part of its review, but the studios did not chime in, either through the Motion Picture Association or on their own.
• (again, multiple instances, a typical one:) Vas, Nicole (December 10, 2019). "Lobbying world". The Hill. Retrieved December 12, 2019. Karyn A. Temple was named senior executive vice president and global general counsel at the Motion Picture Association.
• Marks, Scott (November 22, 2019). "Bad taste with the PCA, NC-17, and John Travolta in drag". San Diego Reader. Retrieved December 12, 2019. the MPA (Motion Picture Association) went ahead and screened the two objectionable scenes.
• Gardner, Eriq (December 9, 2019). "MPA Taps Copyright Office Director Karyn Temple as General Counsel". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved December 12, 2019. The Motion Picture Association has named Karyn A. Temple as its newest global general counsel.
• (again, multiple instances, a typical one:) Wheat, Lorraine (October 19, 2019). "Execs from Motown, Live Nation, Recording Academy Set to Speak at Culture Creators' Inaugural C2 Summit". Variety. Retrieved December 12, 2019. Panel discussions scheduled will feature such industry leaders as ... vice president of external and multicultural affairs for The Motion Picture Association John Gibson...
• Palmer, Anna; Sherman, Jake (October 18, 2019). "Netanyahu on Syria cease-fire: 'We hope things will turn out for the best'". Politico Playbook. Retrieved December 12, 2019. Sen. Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) posing with the Batmobile outside the Motion Picture Association on Thursday afternoon.
• Bryant, Tim (December 11, 2019). "UGA to offer Masters in Film". WGAU Radio. Retrieved December 12, 2019. There are nearly 45,800 direct motion picture and television industry jobs in Georgia, according to the Motion Picture Association.
• Ellingson, Annlee (November 18, 2019). "Box-office champ 'Ford v Ferrari' injected $100M+ into California economy". Los Angeles Business Journal. Retrieved December 12, 2019. "To recreate Ford's renowned Michigan headquarters, Ferrari's legendary Italian headquarters and the iconic Les Mans track in France, all in the heart of Southern California, is no easy feat," said Motion Picture Association Chairman Charles Rivkin in a statement.
• (One site that's not, strictly speaking, news: the United States Copyright Office:) "Register Karyn A. Temple Announces Departure from the Copyright Office". Copyright Office NewsNet. No. 791. U.S. Copyright Office. December 9, 2019. Retrieved December 9, 2019. Today, Register of Copyrights Karyn Temple announced that she will be leaving the Copyright Office on January 3, 2020, to accept a new position with the Motion Picture Association.

The cites above are a little heavy on the Karyn Temple resignation story, but that's mostly a matter of the timing of the search; that's the most recent significant news involving the MPA. TJRC (talk) 23:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 6 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 11:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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Motion Picture Association of America → Motion Picture Association – Association no longer is named Motion Picture Association of America. Association is now named Motion Picture Association. Requesting move to keep organization brand consistent . TCGhostnote (talk) 14:54, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Sources still seem about split in whether they use the old or current title. But given that it is not in question that the current title is the accurate one, it feels like we should air on the side of using the correct one. I always find it weird when an article is titled ZZZ but the first sentence accurately begins with "YYY is." It also would help clear up some confusion -- apparently the MPAA's offices in other countries were always referred to as MPA, and so now there is MPA as the whole organization and the organization in the US, and then "MPA Canada," "MPA Latin America" etc for its offices in other countries.--Yaksar (let's chat) 15:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support per nom requested as long as this name remains a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. If someone/other countries create similar name as MPA and claims as equal primary topic. a disambiguation page would need to create. 114.125.13.52 (talk) 16:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I reviewed American newspapers from 2020, and found that it is still more common to include "of America". I suspect this is done by them to intentionally disambiguate from MPA international organizations, and that is a practice that I think we have to continue doing here based on that preponderance of use. (If you'd like to confirm, here is how I searched: Start at the Wikipedia Library, access ProQuest, search "Motion Picture Association", filter by Newspapers / last 12 months / location> U.S /, and sort by recent.) While I think there has been some movement since the last RM on Oct 2019, keep in mind that we're still less than a year out from the change from a name which was in use for ~75 years - there's going to be some attachment in sources to the old name. Let's give this another year and see where it stands. -- Netoholic @ 19:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• I think the stats and evidence you point to are all accurate. And I'm usually pretty consistent about feeling that a subject's common name should be the page name. But in cases like this, where we know a name change has occurred and that one name is now accurate (MPA) and one is not (MPAA), as long as it is clear the new name is getting use in reliable sources it usually makes sense to go with the accurate one. There are definitely exceptions, like when it may be controversial or when it is clear that it is temporary (if the Texas State Fair said it would now be called the American Airlines Texas State Fair), but this does not seem like one of those cases.--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• I think the main reason reflects why sources still use "of America" - to make clear this is talking about MPA's operations in the U.S. and to avoid needing something like Motion Picture Association (U.S.). Some sources (especially outside the U.S.) do use the new shorter name, but have to workaround the ambiguity by stating it like "a report by the U.S. Motion Picture Association". I'd prefer to keep the old name than potentially have to need some other type of disambiguation. -- Netoholic @ 02:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

• Likely plays a role, but it's not like the other offices are autonomous subjects -- they are really just the branches of the main MPA on other continents. And then the main one seems analogous as the US one -- there doesn't seem to be a separate official US branch that isn't the main organization.--Yaksar (let's chat) 16:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support; see '"Motion Picture Association" rapidly becoming the Common Name' section above. TJRC (talk) 20:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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The Big Five Studios, and Netflix

Should Netflix be recognized as the 'Sixth Major Studio' that happens to be operating outside the traditional Hollywood Studio System? It's almost exclusively streaming, yes, but it's become a major production company that's significantly changed the way the film and television industries operate and distribute their content; both in America and abroad. Disney+ and HBOMax are arguably two of the biggest by-products of Hollywood's significant emphasis on streaming in the business.Internet Informant (talk) 11:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

You make a sound point but until reliable sources start describing Netflix as such then we can't really refer to it as a "major" studio on Wikipedia. Part of the problem is that the term is anachronistic and refers to a time when production studios owned vast sound stages. It's not a good fit with the modern era of film-making but the term has stuck. Betty Logan (talk) 22:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Concur. The point of WP:NOT and WP:NOR is that WP always follows and it never leads. It's up to the journalists at the trade papers like THR and Variety to decide whether Netflix should be considered a major film studio. --Coolcaesar (talk) 22:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)