Talk:Morgan Carroll

Non-neutral additions to this page

I have again reverted recent additions to the page because they do not adhere to our WP:NPOV policy. In particular, the large block quote from Caroll's campaign website and the long list of endorsements are campaign-like and encyclopedic. Endorsements typically go on the election page, in this case that would be here: United States House of Representatives elections in Colorado, 2016. Please don't restore these edits without discussing here first and gaining WP:CONSENSUS. In general, with your first edits its best to start out small rather than making too many major edits at once. Champaign Supernova (talk) 20:14, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Note from Morgan Carroll's intern

Sorry! Unintended - I'm new to Wikipedia and just saw your message. Still figuring out the system. As full disclosure, I am an unpaid intern with Morgan and have been tasked with updating the page (note as of 9/6/16 photo was from 2006, did not include her tenure in the Colorado House of Representatives in the infobox, listed her as running for the Democratic nomination, not as the candidate etc). I wish to fully honor Wikipedia's standards, but also fairly quickly develop a page comparable to that of other public figures to include legislation she has sponsored and committees she has served on. All guidance and assistance in accountability welcomed. I can post all intended edits here for external review for neutrality before updating the page if that is amenable to the community, and will remove any campaign sources. Please let me know if at the moment it is okay to restore the updated Infobox to include Colorado House of Representatives tenure, Education and background section, and Personal Life. Slichtin (talk) 21:29, 7 September 2016 (UTC)Slichtin

Thank you for disclosing your connection to the article's subject. The first step is to acquaint yourself with Wikipedia's WP:COI policy. You should avoid directly editing the article text. Instead, if you have suggested edits, please use Template:Request edit on this talk page. This will summon other editors to this page who can look at your content and add it to the article if it complies with Wikipedia policies. Key policies to keep in mind when suggesting content are WP:PROMOTION, WP:RS, WP:SECONDARY, and WP:NPOV. Champaign Supernova (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, and will do! Slichtin (talk) 22:10, 7 September 2016 (UTC)Slichtin

Proposed addition to page: Colorado State Legislature section

Hi there, I am an intern with Morgan Carroll and would like to suggest the addition of a section regarding Carroll's electoral, legislative, and committee history in the Colorado State legislature. Given WP:COI, I ask that this be added, or added in an edited form, to the page if it complies with WP:PROMOTION and WP:NPOV.

This also seems like an important edit; given your sourcing, I have added it to the page. Recommend fleshing out the citations so they are not just URLs! Fbv65edel — t — c // 04:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I have updated bare url citations for election results (Colo. Sec. of State) and committee assignments (Colo. General Assembly) to include title, publisher, and access date, but have not removed the maintenance tag given WP:COI. Slichtin (talk) 19:58, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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Colorado State Legislature

Colorado House of Representatives

2004 Election

Carroll first ran for the Colorado House of Representatives District 36 in 2004, defeating Republican Jim Parker 55%-45%.

2006 Re-election

She won reelection in 2006 with 62% of the vote against Republican Brian R. Boney.

Colorado State Senate

2008 Election

Carroll first ran for the Colorado State Senate District 29 in 2008, defeating Republican Suzanne Andrews 69%-31%.

2012 re-election

She won re-election in 2012 with 59% of the vote, defeating Republican Bill Ross and Libertarian Michele Poague.

Colorado State Senate District 29 General Election, 2012

Party		Candidate	Votes	%
	Democratic	Morgan Carroll	30,149	58.75
	Republican	William “Bill” D. Ross II	18,745	36.53
	Libertarian	Michele R. Poague	2,420	4.72
Total votes			51,314	100

Sponsored Legislation

Her first year in office, Morgan Carroll sponsored Senate Bill 05-052, creating the Military Family Relief Fund to provide financial assistance to the families of actively serving Colorado National Guard and Reserve Military members.

In 2006, Morgan Carroll sponsored Colorado House Bill 06-1149 to strengthen the “Colorado Sunshine Act of 1972”, ensuring disclosure of additional information regarding funding for professional lobbyists to the office of the Colorado Secretary of State.

Morgan Carroll sponsored the 2010 Pharmaceutical Transparency Act (SB10-126) which discloses payments from the pharmaceutical industry to health care providers.

Following the 2012 Aurora Shooting, Carroll and fellow Aurora Democrat Rep. Rhonda Fields sponsored Colorado House Bill 1229, passing universal background checks in the state.

Carroll sponsored the 2013 Colorado State Senate Advancing Students for a Stronger Economy Tomorrow (ASSET) Bill (SB13-033) extending in-state classification for university tuition purposes to all students who complete high school in Colorado, regardless of immigration status..

Colorado State Senate Committee assignments

• Senate Judiciary Committee (Chair)
• Executive Committee of the Legislative Council (Vice-Chair)
• Legislative Council (Vice-Chair)
• Senate Agriculture, Natural Resources, and Energy Committee
• Senate Health and Human Services Committee
• Police Officers and Firefighters Pension Reform Committee
• Redistricting Committee

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Slichtin (talk) 18:28, 12 September 2016 (UTC)Slichtin

I have removed most of the "sponsored legislation" from the article because it lacks secondary sourcing. The sourcing is mostly links to the bill itself, or to a legislative tracker, and it does not adequately WP:VERIFY the claims made about the legislation. We need to be very much err on the side of caution here given that these are requests being made by the campaign of someone running for office. Champaign Supernova (talk) 14:50, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for keeping us up to snuff and honest Champaign Supernova and Fbv65edel. If it is okay for me to edit personally, I will update the citations for the Colorado election statistics and Colorado State Senate committee assignments to include source (e.g. Office of the Colorado Secretary of State, Colorado Legislative Council), title (e.g. “Votes cast at the General Election held November 2, 2004: St. Rep. District 36”, “2010 Senate Judiciary”), and page number where applicable as requested by Fbv65edel.

Regarding Champaign Supernova’s edit at 14:47 on Sept 22, I believe it is appropriate to include in the description of House Bill 1229 that it was drafted/passed in response to the 2012 Aurora Shooting. It is pertinent information that sponsors Carroll and Rhonda Fields were the State Senator and State Rep, respectively, representing the City of Aurora in the Colorado State Legislature at the time of the shooting as this bill has consistently been discussed in relation to and described as a response to the shooting in local, regional, national, and international media.

Here are secondary sources discussing the bills I have suggested including. Here is an article from the Colorado Springs Gazette regarding legislation on the Military Family Relief Fund, a Denver Post article regarding the lobbying reform initiative proposed in 2006, a Boulder Daily Camera article which discusses the Pharmaceutical Transparency Act (Senate Bill 2010 - 126), and Aurora Sentinel coverage of the 2013 ASSET Bill.

If these citations sufficiently WP:VERIFY that these pieces of legislation have been sponsored by Morgan Carroll, provide adequate descriptions of the bills in question, and are in line with standards for including pieces of legislation sponsored by publicly elected officials on their Wikipedia pages, I request you reconsider including this information on the page.

Slichtin (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Some Proposed Changes to intro

Hi there, I am an intern with Morgan Carroll and would like to suggest 3 small additions to the opening section of the page (mentioning Carroll's tenure as a state representative, that she stepped down as minority leader to run for US Congress, and her specializations at her law firm). Given WP:COI, I ask that this be added, or added in an edited form, to the page if it complies with WP:PROMOTION and WP:NPOV.

To add to the Infobox:

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| state_house2=Colorado | state2=Colorado | district2=36th | term_start2=January 2005 | term_end2=November 2008

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Potential updated intro section, with changes in bold

" Morgan Lenore Carroll (born November 24, 1971) is an American politician from Colorado. A Democrat, Carroll represented Colorado House District 36 in the city of Aurora from 2004 to 2008, and has represented the state's 29th Senate district since 2009. Carroll served as President of the Colorado State Senate 2013–2014 and as minority leader in 2015. Carroll stepped down as minority leader in July 2015 to run against incumbent Republican Mike Coffman for the U.S. House of Representatives CD-6. In addition to her legislative work, Carroll works for the law firm of Bachus & Schanker, specializing in social security disability, workers’ compensation, employment law, personal injury, and family law.

Slichtin (talk) 18:50, 12 September 2016 (UTC)Slichtin

Some Proposed Changes to Education and background section

Hi there, I am an intern with Morgan Carroll and would like to suggest changes to the Education and background section, mostly a one sentence description of her mother's career and additional information regarding Carroll's non-legislative work history. Given WP:COI, I ask that this be added, or added in an edited form, to the page if it complies with WP:PROMOTION and WP:NPOV.

" Morgan Carroll was born November 24, 1971 in Denver, CO to John Carroll and Rebecca Bradley. Her father was a consumer rights advocate who served as a Colorado State Representative for Adams County between 1964 and 1974. Her mother was an attorney and Morgan's partner at the mother/daughter disability and family-law firm Carroll & Bradley in Aurora from 2000 to 2010.

Morgan Carroll graduated from Boulder High School in 1990, afterwards working at a gas station, a video store, and as a secretary. She studied Psychology at the University of Colorado Denver from 1991 to 1996 and received her J.D. in 2000 from the University of Colorado Law School. Carroll worked full time as an attorney and served as her local precinct captain for the Colorado Democratic Party before joining the Colorado House of Representatives in 2005. She is also the author of Take Back Your Government: A Citizen's Guide to Grassroots Change (2011).. " Slichtin (talk) 19:00, 12 September 2016 (UTC)Slichtin

This has issues with sourcing and promotion. For instance, the source for Carroll "working at a gas station, a video store, and as a secretary" is her campaign website. The source for a book she authored is a link to buy it on Amazon.com. We need independent, secondary sources to establish notability. Otherwise it does look like self-promotion. Champaign Supernova (talk) 14:56, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Again, thank you so much for reviewing. I'm still trying to figure out how to best cite - sorry! - but thank you so much for your time and assistance. In regards to proper sourcing, this 5280 article details Carroll's work at a video store and gas station; Ballotpedia specifically mentions her working as a manager at a Blockbuster, manager of an Amoco, and paralegal. And here is a Westword review for Carroll's book. If these are considered appropriate sources, and not against WP:PROMOTION, I request reconsideration for including information. Slichtin (talk) 19:19, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I was notified about these requested edits via my talk page after I made a recent edit to Carroll's page. That being said, in regards to the suggested addition's references, Ballotpedia is not a reliable source. I was not able to find an RS verifying that she worked at Blockbuster however, I did find this source noting that she worked at an Amoco gas station and a Wendy's at age 16. I would say leave out the information about her job at Blockbuster until we can find a source for support but we can add the rest. Meatsgains (talk) 23:02, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I was also unable to verify the following:

• "She studied Psychology"
• "and served as her local precinct captain for the Colorado Democratic Party"

Again, suggest leaving out for now as these are insignificant details. Meatsgains (talk) 23:18, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I added the relevant uncontroversial information that was supported in RS. Meatsgains (talk) 23:25, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Marked edit request as partially done. Altamel (talk) 21:39, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Some Proposed Changes to 2016 US Congress Campaign section

Hi there, I am an intern with Morgan Carroll and would like to suggest changes to the 2016 US Congress campaign, updating Carroll's status from running for the nomination to receiving the nomination for CO district 6, and including a few more recent endorsements. Given WP:COI, I ask that this be added, or added in an edited form, to the page if it complies with WP:PROMOTION and WP:NPOV.

edits in bold.

" Carroll is the 2016 Democratic candidate for Colorado's 6th congressional district, receiving the nomination unanimously on April 10, 2016. The district is currently represented by Congressman Mike Coffman, the Republican incumbent. Carroll has been endorsed by elected officials including Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper and former U.S. Secretary of Interior and US Senator Ken Salazar and organizations like Planned Parenthood Action Fund, NARAL Pro-Choice America, and the League of Conservation Voters. Major donors to Carroll's campaign have included pro-choice political action committee EMILY's List, labor union International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, and J Street. "

Slichtin (talk) 19:06, 12 September 2016 (UTC)Slichtin

Proposed addition to page: Personal Life section

Hi there, I am an intern with Morgan Carroll and would like to suggest the inclusion of a brief Personal Life section to the page. Given WP:COI, I ask that this be added, or added in an edited form, to the page if it complies with WP:PROMOTION and WP:NPOV.

" Outside of her legislative and legal profession, Morgan Carroll has worked as a teacher and dancer with the Boulder Performing Arts Company, and as a Hebrew Teacher at Har Ha Shem. Her hobbies include horseback riding, home improvement, gardening, swimming, and social justice activism. "

Slichtin (talk) 19:08, 12 September 2016 (UTC)Slichtin

This seems like a harmless enough edit. Added the section and included the source to the law firm site. Fbv65edel — t — c // 04:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I have removed this edit. We have only one source, Carroll's biography from her law firm's website. This is an WP:SPS source. We need stronger independent sourcing here. And listing "social justice activism" as a hobby does seem like WP:PROMOTION. Champaign Supernova (talk) 14:43, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing suggested edits and helping update the page in line with Wikipedia policy. In regards to WP:SPS, may I then suggest this Denver Post profile citing hobbies "travel, home improvement, writing, horse back riding" (thank you for removing what appears WP:PROMOTION)? Also, the Morgan Carroll profile on votesmart.org, under 'Religious, Civic, and Other Memberships', lists her work as Hebrew Teacher at Har Ha Shem. Both the votesmart.org profile under 'Professional Experience', and her ballotpedia page under 'Biography' list her work at Boulder Performing Arts Company. If these are considered appropriate sourcing, I request reconsideration for the information. Slichtin (talk) 18:51, 22 September 2016 (UTC)Slichtin

The Denver Post article can be used but the links to Votesmart and Ballotpedia are not reliable. You'll need to find additional sources for support. Meatsgains (talk) 23:56, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Also, frankly, a hobbies section is pretty fluffy. Is it really sufficiently notable that she enjoys horse back riding etc, to the point where it should be included in this entry? Surely, as a state Majority, then Minority, Leader, there are some legislative accomplishments and/or controversies to be mentioned.Frankam12 (talk)

Agreed - her hobbies aren't necessarily significant however, adding accomplishments and controversies during her time in office should be noted. Who wants to take a stab at it? Meatsgains (talk) 04:51, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Paul Ryan

This source is a trivial mention. If this were noteworthy, there would surely be more coverage than a passing mention in a Politico newsletter. It is WP:UNDUE to include this content with such scanty sourcing. Safehaven86 (talk) 16:00, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I removed her criticism of Paul Ryan. One passing mention in a POLITICO tipsheet isn't quite significant enough to add to the page. Meatsgains (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2016 (UTC)