Talk:Mitch McGary/GA1

I don't know what I'm doing here, but I feel I have to say, that the section where his height and weight is listed is badly screwed up. Someone has to fix it. Here's the proof:

I==GA Review==

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Reviewer: Two Hearted River (talk · contribs) 16:41, 5 March 2012 (UTC) This article is short enough that I'm not going to try to organize my comments.

• Here's a photo that could be used in the article: [1]
  • Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
• Citation for his date of birth?
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
• With just one source – an interview with McGary – those nicknames could well be fleeting, as is wont to occur in sports. I suggest removing them unless it can be shown they have persisted.
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:00, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
• Do we have to use the term "blue chip" when the next few sentences state his credentials?
  • I don't understand the issue with this link. This is the type of player it is quite appropriate for. It would be like saying a player is an all-star or a hall of famer and in subequent sentences describing his record and statistics.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:17, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Sorry for not explaining my objection. I wished to avoid using the term because as it stands right now, its definition is provided by the (unreliable) editors of the blue chip (sports) article. If that article's claims were backed by reliable sources, it would be okay. (Also, assuming the blue chip article accurately describes the term, is it appropriate to describe McGary as one since he's already signed his NLI?) Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 16:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
      • I don't think link usage should be dictated by the quality of the destination article. I link to redlinks at times.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
        • In lieu of warranted explanations? Anyway, I added two references at blue chip (sports). Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 00:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• "...is a blue chip high school basketball player who has signed..." – It would be good to insert "from Chesterton, Indiana," here.
  • done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:07, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
• Why capitalize "Class of 2012"?
  • Changed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:08, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
• "...but also the top big man according to most sources at the time" – What constitutes a "big man"?
  • I have revised the dab page, although I do not link to it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:24, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Okay, but that doesn't help readers of this article. I am sufficiently familiar with basketball to recognize "big man" is jargon, but I don't know what it means. It probably warrants inclusion in Glossary of basketball terms, and you would probably do it better justice than I would, but I'll try if you don't want to. Then we can link to it. Here's a good reference. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 16:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
      • I have added the entry. I am not sure the article that you point to really presents a definition though.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
        • Actually, I think the WSJ article suitably backs up the sentence you wrote, so I'm going to add the reference at Glossary of basketball terms. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 00:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• "He will be a member of the incoming..."
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:11, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
• "McGary shoots left-handed." – Not mentioned in the rest of the article.
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
• "McGary's father, Tim, coached him until 4th grade." – I would start the first section as if the lead did not exist, as the lead is supposed to stand alone. So use his full name here, and do we know when he started playing basketball? Where is he from? Etc.
  • How is it now? P.S. don't know anything about his pre-4th grade career. Also, not sure about comma issue as it relates the the new location of Chesterton, Indiana.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:09, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
  • What is happening with this? His birthdate and specific hometown need to be mentioned outside of the summaries (lead and infobox). Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 16:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Typically, a birthdate is one of the few things only mentioned in the WP:LEAD.
      • Okay, I see that in the guideline now. Doesn't hurt to repeat it here for the sake of starting the paragraph at a logical point of the story. To that end, I've rearranged the contents of the first paragraph. If you approve, we're done here. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 15:32, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• ...while Michigan recruit and future 2009–10, 2010–11 and 2011–12 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team captain, Zack Novak..." – I think including the specific seasons here is more distracting than illuminating. Also, the comma before Zack doesn't belong.
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:05, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
• "McGary is afflicted with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder." – This sentence appeared out of nowhere, but I see a good connection to the next sentence in its reference that warrants inclusion.
  • I think I fixed what you are talking about.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
• "He eventually transferred from Chesterton, Indiana to the..." – "[city], [state]," constructions require commas after the state
  • I have never heard of this and it seems wrong.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Comma#In_geographical_names, [2], [3], [4] Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 13:01, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
      • What is happening with this? Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 16:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
        • Fixed in 3 places.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
• "...McGary ranked only 92nd..." – POV
  • Removed only--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
• "During the July 2011 LeBron James Skills Academy..." – How about, "During the LJSA in July..." unless "July 2011" is included in the proper name.
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Other instances of this remain or have been introduced. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 16:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
      • I am not sure I understand what issues are still outstanding. Here are dates followed by nouns: 2007–08 Chesterton High School junior varsity team, 2011 summer camps, 2012 NBA Draft, 2012 NEPSAC Class AAA Boys' Basketball Tournament, 2011–12 Brewster team, 2012 National Prep Championship MVP, April 1, 2012 All-American Championship, April 7 Nike Hoops Summit and 2012 USA Junior National Select Team. Which of these are problems?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:56, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
        • The two that begin with "April". Let me know if you don't approve of the copy edit I just made. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 00:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
          • That is fine.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• "That summer, he was invited to participate in the August 2011 5th annual Nike Global Challenge." – "Summer" depends on your hemisphere. Try, "He was invited to participate in the 5th annual NGC the following month".
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
• "...he participated in some of the..." – participating in some is still participating, yes?
  • Although the point was to call attention to his limited participation, I have made this change.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:47, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
    • I couldn't find mention of limited participation in either of the references. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 18:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
      • It is in the reference about breaking the backboard.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
        • Oops. My apologies for not checking that one. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 00:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Might want to expand MVP to most valuable player
  • done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• "Later in the summer..." – as above
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:06, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
• "On October 4, 2011, USA Today noted that McGary had completed his official campus visits..." – Let's reword so as not to make the reporting the focus of the sentence. How about, "McGary completed official campus visits to ... by October 4"?
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• "He also had made an unofficial visit..."
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• "McGary is from Chesterton, which is the home of Novak." – This info ought to come much earlier.
  • fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
• "On November 3, 2011, McGary announced his verbal commitment..." – I recommend reordering this to, "In a November 3, 2011, press conference broadcast on ESPNU, McGary announced his verbal commitment ... over ..."
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:00, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• "Within hours of the commitment, ESPN announced that Michigan ranked as the fifth best class in the nation." – How about, "...ESPN ranked Michigan's recruiting class the fifth best in the nation"?
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:03, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• "He was not sure..." – How about replacing this sentence and the next with, "He waited until November 9 to sign his NLI so that his parents could be present"? Oh, and that abbreviation reminds me, how about writing "National Letter of Intent (NLI)" in its first instance so you can use the abbreviation in future instances?
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• "After several other schools announced their commitments, the signing of McGary moved Michigan from outside the top 25 at the end of October to the number 7 class in the nation, according to ESPN." – Michigan didn't have to wait for other schools to move into the top 25, right? I suggest moving their initial placement to the place where you mention they moved up to 5th, so that this sentence can just say they dropped from 5th to 7th after other schools announced commitments.
  • Is it O.K. now?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Yes. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 16:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
• "The 2011–12 Brewster team was reported..." – This paragraph just seems like miscellaneous information. Can it be better integrated into the rest of the article?
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:55, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• "His father was a Chesterton High School alumnus..." – Was? Is he dead?
  • Fixed,--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• I recommend archiving web sources using webcitation.org so as not to lose them in the future.
  • I hope you are not going to require that for this to pass.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Certainly not. I hope you'll do it anyway. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 16:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 17:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Only remaining concern at this point is the one that starts with "McGary's father, Tim". I'm also going to do a few more spotchecks. Then I'll have another decal for you to add to the fuselage of your fighter plane. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 01:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC)