Talk:Mick Cronin (basketball)
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Requested move 30 March 2020
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Not moved. Consensus appears to be squarely against the proposed move. BD2412 T 01:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Mick Cronin (basketball) → Mick Cronin – Primary topic for "Mick Cronin". Long-term significance is not a distinguishing factor for any of the options, and page views [1] are. per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not seeing any primary topic here. The Australian rules footballer and the rugby player both look pretty significant, even if they did have the misfortune to be playing in the days before the internet. Doesn't make them any less notable. It may amaze fans to hear it, but American college basketball means nothing to most of us around the world. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Both look pretty significant" as opposed to the basketball player how? Long-term significance is not a distinguishing factor for any of the options, and page views [2] are. per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It may amaze you to hear it, but American college basketball, Australian rules football, and rugby league each mean nothing to a lot of people (me included), but we can still arrange the articles to best serve the entirety of the readership. Let's use the consensus criteria. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
- Which is what we're doing, is it not? Having a debate to form consensus. Of course someone who is currently involved in a popular sport in America is likely to have more page views at the moment! It's called WP:RECENTISM. If he continues to have many more page views long after he's retired then that's what will make a difference. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- WP:RECENTISM is about article contents, not Wikipedia navigation. And no, we're not having a discussion to form consensus on the primary topic criteria; a change to those (which you're basing your !vote on) would be for WT:D -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:09, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't say we were. I said we were having a discussion to form consensus, i.e. consensus as to whether this article should be renamed. As I'm sure you actually know, WP:RECENTISM is very commonly used as an argument in primary topic RM discussions, and is relevant to them (as actually specified in the fourth bullet point of the intro -
Edit warring over whether to change an article's well-established title...
). I'm basing my vote on the fact that I don't think there is a primary topic. Which is exactly what I said. I maintain that view. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't say we were. I said we were having a discussion to form consensus, i.e. consensus as to whether this article should be renamed. As I'm sure you actually know, WP:RECENTISM is very commonly used as an argument in primary topic RM discussions, and is relevant to them (as actually specified in the fourth bullet point of the intro -
- WP:RECENTISM is about article contents, not Wikipedia navigation. And no, we're not having a discussion to form consensus on the primary topic criteria; a change to those (which you're basing your !vote on) would be for WT:D -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:09, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- Which is what we're doing, is it not? Having a debate to form consensus. Of course someone who is currently involved in a popular sport in America is likely to have more page views at the moment! It's called WP:RECENTISM. If he continues to have many more page views long after he's retired then that's what will make a difference. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Both look pretty significant" as opposed to the basketball player how? Long-term significance is not a distinguishing factor for any of the options, and page views [2] are. per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It may amaze you to hear it, but American college basketball, Australian rules football, and rugby league each mean nothing to a lot of people (me included), but we can still arrange the articles to best serve the entirety of the readership. Let's use the consensus criteria. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per User:Necrothesp.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Necrothesp. PointComm (talk) 17:23, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.