Talk:Michael Dorfman

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The result was keep. article may need editing, but appears to be the consensus DGG ( talk ) 19:16, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Michael Dorfman

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Not notable individual.No WP:RS are presented in the article.Seems like self promotion Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 10:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)Adding to my rationale:The article clearly doesn't meet any WP:AUTHOR notability criteria.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 15:43, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. MaNeMeBasat (talk) 13:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• Apparently User:Shrike, who initiate the deletion, isn't the Russian or Yiddish speaker and cannot properly asses the subject ~~ User:Lamerkhav
• Michael Dorfman is a published author, with a number of books on Jewish history (see below) and countless analytic articles in reputable sources - see, for example, [1]. He is widely read and very active. I have a strong suspicion that the intention to delete his profile on Wikipedia is driven by interested parties who do not share his political position. Yudanin (talk) 20:41, 8 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamerkhav (talk • contribs)
• Keep: notable individual, published author and publicist. Yudanin (talk) 21:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)— Yudanin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Michael Dofman brings a thoughtful and distinct voice to a wide range of political discussions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobconway (talk • contribs) 22:49, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

As has been pointed out by others above Michael Dorfman is a well known author with a many articles and a number of books published especially in Russian language media. Besides what can be found online you can find his articles in a number of Russian language newspapers offline. His articles has been critically reviewed primarily in Russian language media. He clearly meets notability criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. The article may have to be cleaned up, not deleted. Ariel Sokolovsky (talk) 19:13, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

The user hadn't edited about two years his fist edit was this comment.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 15:43, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

• Keep published author and publicist, famous journalist. Suspect political motivation for page removal. Yudanin (talk) 19:33, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Double vote.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 15:43, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

There isn't the voting process, but discussion ~~Lamerkhav (talk •contribs

Yes but he is already said "keep".--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 17:37, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

• Keep I've been reading him for quite a number of years. He is a very prolific author on the subject of Jewish/Yiddish history and culture. I've been reading his regular column at http://www.sensusnovus.ru/category/opinion (I read Russian), but also read excerpts from his books. Not sure why this entry would need to be deleted. This is quite a prominent guy. Yashka78 (talk) 12:57, 10 September 2012 (UTC)— Yashka78 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Keep - persuaded by the abundance of sources. It's not a New Yorker Featured Article, but this is a specialized topic about Russia Jewish Yiddish culture so we need remember WP:SYSTEMIC can be an issue. The sources seem to support a notable person within the context of Russian Jewish Yiddish culture (and some outside that context). BTW I have no connection to the author or Yashka78 or anyone else, found this by going through the Author AfDs. Green Cardamom (talk) 23:13, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Arguments for notability

• Subject is a publishing author in Russia language. Published 3 books in the biggest Russina Public House.
• The article created in January 2007. During this period about 30 peope contributed to this article and apparently everybody was in agreement, that there the subject complies with Wiki notability criteria User:Lamerkhav 03:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Subject's published books

• Михаэль Дорфман, Евреи и жизнь. Холокост - это смешно? ISBN 978-5-17-053210-0, ISBN 978-5-9713-8228-7, 978-5-903925-03-2, 978-5-226-01028-6

Михаэль Дорфман, Евреи и жизнь. Свастика в Иерусалиме ISBN 978-5-17-053211-7, ISBN 978-5-9713-8229-4, 978-5-903925-07-0, 978-5-226-00776-7

• Михаэль Дорфман, Евреи и жизнь. Холокост - это смешно? ISBN 978-5-17-055185-9, 978-5-9713-9695-6, 978-5-903925-10-0, 978-5-226-01029-3
• There the sources for the article
• Biography published in the book Михаэль Дорфман, Евреи и жизнь. Холокост - это смешно? ISBN 978-5-17-053210-0 ACT, Moscow, 2008
• Biography published in the Quarterly review Nota Bene issue 18 Jerusalem 2006.
• Bio from Jewish Literary Review Booknik, Moscow.
• Bio in the Experts agency IA REX
• Dorfman's book in Hebrew edited by Alona Kimhi and coming to print in 2013. Lamerkhav (talk •contribs) 13:17, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Additional citation in English and Hebrew

• Maariv Drofman's profile in Maariv (Hebrew)
• Michael Dorfman interview for the Sheelot Yisiot (Personal questions) with Yaakov Agmon

There are wiki paged in Russian, Ukrainian and Hebrew User:Lamerkhav (talk contribs) 9:17, 8 September 2012

Additional secondary sources about the subject's notability in Russian

• Прервалась связь времен?
• Израильский беженец в русской литературе
• ЕВРЕЙСКАЯ КУЛЬТУРА БЕЗ ПРЕДИСЛОВИЙ
• Как ветка Палестины
• О статьях Михаэля Дорфмана Михаил Магид.
• Лик славы святителя Новгородского Никиты
• Век идеологий закончился
• Все на свете как коммерческий бренд Леонид Ашкинази.
• Портрет без рамок Леонид Ашкинази
• Ответ на статью М. Дорфмана «Газа: ничего мы им не покажем»
• Встреча со своими «Корнями»
• «Летние» заботы Михаэля Дорфмана
• Анна Нежинская «Можно ловить и тыкать носом»
• Предисловие к эссе «Народ скажет, как завяжет»
• Дмитрий Верхотуров «Происхождение евреев от славян еще не завершилось»
• Леонид Шульман. Профанационная история
• Леонид Шульман. Евреи и русские — братья?
• Михаил Носоновский «Славянский ли язык идиш: самоненависть и вопросы языкознания»
• Александр Луговской «Читая М. Дорфмана „Как евреи произошли от славян“»
• Лариса Володимерова. О Михаэле Дорфмане и Александре Пушкине
• Михаэль Дорфман и история
• Интервью с Моше Зундером для израильской газеты Маарив
• Интервью с Мариной Островской
• Диалог с Дмитрием Верхотуровым в МЕГ
• Диалог в журнале И&П
• Интервью И. Вольвовской для газеты «Русский израильтянин»
• Опыт конструктивной дискуссии с В. Лебедевым Бостон 2004
• Девочки за решёткой
• [* ВЫДУМКА ПОЛИТТЕХНОЛОГОВ ИЛИ РЕАЛЬНЫЙ ЗАГОВОР
• МИХАЭЛЬ ДОРФМАН: АМЕРИКОЙ УПРАВЛЯЕТ НОМЕНКЛАТУРА
• БЕЛЫЕ В АМЕРИКЕ — НОВЫЙ УГНЕТЁННЫЙ КЛАСС
• НАНЕСЁТ ЛИ ИЗРАИЛЬ АВИАУДАРЫ ПО ЯДЕРНЫМ ОБЪЕКТАМ ИРАНА
• Lev Gunin about Michael Dorfman
• Bio in Persones.ru

Citations from Google books

• Scientific antisemitism by Seregey Balandin
• Kontinent Review issue 127-128
• Nota Bene issue 15-16 p.8
• Yiddishkait in Music issue 2 !~~User:Lamerkhav

Books by Michael Dorfman in the Google Search

• Jews in life
• Jews in Life2 The Holocaust isn't laugh?
• Jews and Slavs
• Swastika in Jerusalem
• Jews and Slavs second edition

~~User:Lamerkhav

Additional sources about subject's work in Yiddish revivalism

• Музыка идишкайта Сборник 1
• Музыка идишкайте Сборник 2
• Музыка Идишкайте в "Лехаим"
• «МЫ ШУТИМ, ЗНАЧИТ, МЫ МЫСЛИМ, А СЛЕДОВАТЕЛЬНО, СУЩЕСТВУЕМ»

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamerkhav (talk • contribs) 18:06, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:30, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

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Compromise I'd love, if you'll propose a compromise. I fail to see what compromise may be, if the proponent wants to delete the article, and nearly everybody else suggests to keep it.

Lamerkhav (talk) 20:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC) User:Lamerkhav 4:49 September 19 2012 (GMT)

• Keep - I'd be tempted to say, snow keep. There seem to be a large number of reliable secondary sources in Russian about Dorfman, which means he easily clears the GNG barrier. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:30, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

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Some publication

• See Selected publications (in Russian)
• Pics
• Michael Dorfman's Essentials (author's selected texts online)
• Dorfman's private blog
• Liberal Israel - Dorfman's blog about politics and social life
• Apikoires in Russian Blog about religious affairs)
• Soviet Judaica — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamerkhav (talk • contribs) 03:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Sourses

• Biography published in the book Михаэль Дорфман, Евреи и жизнь. Холокост - это смешно? ISBN 978-5-17-053210-0 ACT, Moscow, 2008
• Biography published in the Quarterly review Nota Bene issue 18 Jerusalem 2006.
• Bio from Jewish Literary Review Booknik, Moscow.
• Bio in the Experts agency IA REX

Lamerkhav (talk • contribs) 11:57, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 21:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Removing COI

• I don't have any close relations to the subject, nor any bias toward it. I met him twice in 1998 and 1998 in Israel in the youth club "Lamerkhav" in Beer-Sheva. This is where I got my nickname. I have his e-mail, and I asked him about some details in the article, but this doesn't meet the criteria of COI by any means.

Lamerkhav (talk) 19:04, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Image gallery

I have removed the image gallery - this is an encyclopedia not Facebook.--ukexpat (talk) 16:50, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough Lamerkhav (talk) 04:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Ethnicity in lede

I removed this from the lede. Can we include his nationality in the lede if there are citations for that? The info box says American/Israeli?Thank you. --Malerooster (talk) 02:21, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Could we also try to get some English language citations as well? Thank you. --Malerooster (talk) 02:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

the subject used to live in Israel from 1976, and from 2001 he lives in the US. What citation can be? Lamerkhav (talk) 04:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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