Talk:Meteorology (Aristotle)

How to cite quotes from Aristotle

There's more information on this here (search the page for Meteorology), but I didn't want to add too much because I'm not sure about the proper way to handle references. 128.148.123.31 22:22, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

The proper way to make references is by Bekker numbers. The lack of these references in the page you link shows its deficient quality. I added the reference (339a36-b2) to one quotation. All quotations should be so referenced (preferably by the person introducing them)! Wareh 18:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

It's amazing what you'll do when your wife is getting the baby to sleep and the brownies are cooling. All the passages quoted by this dubiously constructed article now at least have correct Bekker references. Wareh 23:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

page name

Shouldn't this be "Meteorology (text)"? -Ravedave ^{(help name my baby)} 19:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Dated

What's the oldest known surviving text for this? Faro0485 (talk) 01:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Wang Chong Not Related

We should remove Wang Chong from the related section, this individual appears to be irrelevant to the article subject, his existence occurred hundreds of years after the existence of the article subject. 130.56.92.144 (talk) 23:53, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Aristotle’s Mineral Exhalations

Although Aristotle did not focus on the mineral world, he did touch upon the subject in the course of meteorological and microphysical considerations. In the Meteorologica,4 he describes the formation of mineral substances5 in terms of subterranean exhalations generated by solar warmth penetrating the earth’s surface and accumulating at depth. This heat could reach subterranean moisture and create a moist exhalation, whereas a dry exhalation was formed by the action of this heat on underground earthy material.6 Aristotle’s physical system considered substances that can exist in both liquid and solid states to be composed of elemental water or a mixture of the elements earth and water, with heat or cold serving as the solidifying agents.7 Aristotle saw the fusibility of the metals as indicative of a liquid component, whereas their erstwhile solidity showed them to also contain a considerable proportion of elemental earthiness. Thus, the metals were considered as composite substances, composed generally of “watery” and “earthy” material.

I took this from AMBIX, Vol. 53, No. 1, March 2006, 43–65 © Society for the History of Alchemy and Chemistry 2006 DOI 10.1179/174582306X93183 The Mineral Exhalation Theory of Metallogenesis in Pre-Modern Mineral Science JOHN A. NORRIS This theory is very important (or was until the 18th century) I hope some one can find the time to add it here.J8079s (talk) 17:23, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Wind rose

Hi. I just wrote up a rather large article on Classical compass winds. Since a good chunk of it is based on Aristotle's Meteorology, I wanted to include a brief summary and reference (and maybe one of the diagrams) in this article. Unfortunately, I am not sure where to insert it here (I only read the section on winds and am not sure where exactly it fits viz. the rest of the book, as categorized in this article. Moreover, I'm rather mystified by "Bekker numbers"). If anyone could elucidate, or insert a note, I'd much appreciate it. Walrasiad (talk) 04:09, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest. The basic problem is that this article is a low-quality primary-source-based article with a few random vignettes in lieu of a discussion of the subject according to what reliable sources say. That said, this would actually make it very easy for you to write up a new section "Describes Classical compass winds." Where to insert it is not a big issue: at the end or wherever makes sense to you (the current sections are not sequential: perhaps they should be rearranged). If you write something and put it in the "wrong" place, we'll love you for it nonetheless, and anyone who cares is welcome to move it!

Bekker numbers are the standard system of citation when quoting Aristotle. Book/chapter numbers as you used at CCW are fine too. Anyway, you can see from the marginal numbers and letters here that the Bekker reference for Meteorology II.6 (which I believe is what you're interested in) is approximately 363a21-365a12.

If you do add a section here, and if you do quote here (or elsewhere) a short text of Aristotle, it is appropriate to give the Bekker reference if possible, as this will enable readers to find the passage with greater precision. Wareh (talk) 02:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Peer review of your article "Meteorology (Aristotle)" by a fellow student of History of Science course

Hello fellow student or scholar. I am here to review the article, and eventually copy-edit the article. I added the banner showing "subject of an educational assignment" at or near the top this talk page. Your introduction seems good. However, I think the phrase "ca 800 CE" might be expanded for clarity, so it could be written "circa 800 BCE" if this is what you really mean to convey to the reader. Also, several photos should be in the article as illustrations of the major points and concepts, or at least one photo should be there to illustrate the overall concept of Aristotle's meteorology. If I'm not mistaken, the big deals missing from the article are any primary sources that can be cited as references, by using the \<ref\> tag (without slashes). If this link to a kind of Meteorology book by Aristle is a viable source from MIT then it could be cited as a reference, again using the \<ref\> tag code. Otherwise, the article generally alright. Petesimon2 (talk) 05:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

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Wind flow

I think what's missing in this article is something very important which is Aristotle description of the wind flows in book 1 Chapter 13. He describes it like a fluid which we take for granted in today's English language. He many not be the first but his earliest evidence we have it seems:

Εἰσὶ δέ τινες οἵ φασι τὸν καλούμενον ἀέρα κινού- μενον μὲν καὶ ῥέοντα ἄνεμον εἶναι

105.226.56.148 (talk) 13:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Text Reliability

The article doesn’t discuss whether or not the text we have today is authentic considering the conquest of Egypt. 105.224.251.80 (talk) 06:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)