Talk:Mazda Premacy

Mazda5

Now that there IS a Mazda5, and that is what it is called almost everywhere, do you think we could change the name of the page? chris 15:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Is the Mazda5 REALLY the first compact minivan in the US? I seem to recall my parents owning a plymouth Colt Vista (which was really a mitsubishi of some kind) back in the early 90s, and i know that there was a version of the nissan stanza that i think also fits the definition.....

Also, by the way, shouldnt the title of this article be changed to mazda5 instead of premaxy at this point? That is how it is sold in most of the world. --cwitschy 18:26, Jan 16 2006

Is the Premacy using the same platform as the Mazda5? --LeoTheLion 00:53, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It is likely that the new Premacy will be a rebadged Mazda5 on the C1 platform. But it now uses a Mazda platform, and there is no Mazda5... --SFoskett 13:32, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

There's an excellent resource on Mazda recalls on Dog and Lemon Japanese Vehicle Recalls. Recalls are listed for the Premacy, AZ Wagon and others, thus linked to Mazda rather than a specific model. This covers all factory recalls to date on current Mazda models in Japan, translated from original information in Japanese. Includes chassis number references. Should this be mentioned in the 'Recall' section or external links? I don't know if the same US recall was made in Japan. Xurizaemon 04:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

These comments (above) are old (almost one year at time of writing) and, I believe, out of date. It is now called the Mazda 5 (at least in Europe) and therefore the title of this page should be changed. Any objections? Robinson weijman 13:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

In the absence of any objections, I'll move this page. Robinson weijman 14:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I cannot change it because Mazda5 already exists as a redirect! That will need to be deleted first (by an administrator). Robinson weijman 14:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Changed back to Mazda Premacy as is the standard for Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles to use the home market name as the article title カラム 10:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Ford I-Max?

Someone has added the anonymous comment that this is sold "in Taiwan as the Ford I-Max". Is this true? Robinson weijman 06:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

>Yes, it's true, but the Ford I-Max has some differences in look.

Could anyone add the section regarding Ford i-MAX version? For reference, see http://www.ford.com.tw/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1178821311965&pagename=Page&c=DFYPage And, BTW, it really has slightly different look, having some stylistic resemblance with Ford S-MAX.

1st Gen has 7 seats

The first generation Premacy definitely has 7-seat version! It is even a standard in some markets like Hong Kong. Yaubrandon

The Mazda 5 has 7 seats as standard in Europe. Robinson weijman 14:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was no consensus. —harej (talk) (cool!) 05:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

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Mazda Premacy → Mazda5 — Per WP:COMMONNAME, per Talk:Mazda3#Requested move, and per Talk:Mazda6#Requested move. The car has been well-known worldwide as "Mazda6" since 2005, according to the article, the current name of the article "Mazda Premacy" is only used in Japan. Aubergine (talk) 23:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

• Mazda Demio → Mazda2
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME and per my comments before. Shouldn't these have been {{multimove}}'d in the first place? Jafeluv (talk) 08:44, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  • In hindsight, yes. I'd hope maybe we could close this early, given the arguments are the same as before. Aubergine (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

No vote at this stage, but if that's what the article says then the article is wrong. The name Premacy is also used in Australia, and in view of that I'd suggest checking other market areas as well. It's just possible that Mazda 5 is a US-only name, in which as it's a Japanese car, it's probably the Japanese name that should be preferred. In any case a bit more research is called for. Andrewa (talk) 18:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

• It's "Premacy" in Japan and Australia only, "Mazda5" in Europe, North America, and everywhere else. Aubergine (talk) 03:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Not doubting your word on this, but in view of the fact that you've already been wrong once on this question, I think it would be good form to present some evidence this time. Assuming you're right, it's a line call... country of origin should carry some weight IMO, as that's the name by which people in areas in which it's not sold (by either name!) will tend to know it. Andrewa (talk) 13:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I just missed the mention of Australia halfway down the page. The references should all be in the article. As far as Japanese name carrying extra weight, see the previous discussions for Mazda3 and Mazda6. Being consistant withthe MazdaN terminology may be best anyway. Aubergine (talk) 16:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose: first gen models were not Mazda5s, but rather Mazda Premacys. You should check this out first. OSX (talk • contributions) 12:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: I guess I should stay out of this discussion, and I wouldn't put it that bluntly as OSX, but indeed, it has to be considered this article refers to TWO generations of the car, which was first launched as the Mazda Premacy worldwide. I believe we're talking of the history of Mazda Premacy, later rebranded as Mazda5 in export markets. To be fair, FWIK the Mazda5 (Premacy gen2) was not even launched in Australia, the confusion stems from the fact that Australia's only seen the original Premacy. PrinceGloria (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment: That's startng to make sense. If I understand all this, the current article name Mazda Premacy refers to a car that was marketed worldwide under that name, and the same name has confusingly also been used for a subsequent model in Japan only. This subsequent model is elsewhere called the Mazda 5, and because of the naming confusion, material relating to the Mazda 5 has been included in this article. If that's all true... it seems quite possible... then what we need is a new article on the Mazda 5, and to clean up this article to focus on the original Mazda Premacy. A short section with a main link to the new Mazda 5 article, noting the usage of the name in Japan for the subsequent model, is all that's required in this article. Andrewa (talk) 03:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment Umm... no... Names of cars are an emphemeric, volatile matter. This article deals with two generations of the vehicle Mazda called the Premacy and, due to a change in their branding, changed to Mazda5 in export markets with the second generation. Had they not changed the name or called it absolutely differently in any market, it would have still been the same vehicle. Look at the confusing histories of Chrysler Europe (Simca, Rootes) models, especially those who got caught up in the turmoil during the PSA takeover and the resurrection of the Talbot brand. I believe we shouldn't get away with looking for "perfect names" and putting this preference before the actual content of the article. The name is the icing, or the cherry, if you please, on the cake. If the cherry is hard to place, do we throw the cake away (ok, perhaps a baker would, but this is not a bakery, is it?) PrinceGloria (talk) 21:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

• But the article is technically wrong if titled "Mazda5". If is is worrying any body too much, why not move the Mazda5 information into a separate article? OSX (talk • contributions) 03:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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Fact and weasel tags

I've added and Australia to the second-gen description of the range of the Premacy-badged model, but I have no source to cite. Actually, probably the article suffers from this more generally... There's no source cited for the claim that it's a Japan-only name either, and as we've seen above this claim is false, it's called that in Australia too.

The weasel tag s self-explanatory I think, and part of the same problem... It seems to me that the authors of this article are often basing their contributions on their local knowledge, rather than any citeable source. This is a good starting point but by the time the article gets to this stage we should be using reliable secondary sources. Andrewa (talk) 21:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Article split

A split was proposed above. There are a few issues here... what's a model and what's a generation, for example. But these aren't the core of the matter.

I think a split would be a good dea because there's plenty of information for two articles, one on each generation, but not enough to justify three, which would be those two plus an overview. It also avoids the naming issue, which was what raised the idea of course. Other thoughts welcome. Andrewa (talk) 21:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

What is JDM??

This sentence in the article makes no sense: "The Mazda Premacy is a compact MPV built by the Japanese manufacturer Mazda since 1999 and now in its second generation (third in the JDM as of July 2010)." I checked with Google and JDM seems to be the name of a Mazda engine model, not the car itself.70.79.50.5 (talk) 05:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)BeeCier

I assume in this case JDM means Japan(ese) Domestic Market.173.86.92.129 (talk) 06:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Engine Manufacturers

Are all Mazda5 engines designed and manufactured in Japan or are the later models designed and manufactured by Ford?23.16.152.103 (talk) 19:14, 25 May 2012 (UTC)BeeCier

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