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Just curious, but when did he change his name to Max Vision? --71.206.5.36 (talk) 01:32, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
semantics issue
edit"which is the longest sentence ever given for hacking charges" - umm, if I read correctly, he also STOLE millions of dollars. I would imagine the heavy sentence was mainly for the STEALING part, not merely computer intrusion. Also, his evil background and violent prior had to weigh heavily on this sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.88.119.65 (talk) 19:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- I just finished reading Kingpin, and I don't think Max ever admitted to stealing money directly, e.g., using stolen credits cards to buy merchandise for resale, or ripping of ATMs. He merely supplied cards to others. Perhaps the charge of "spending $86 million in fraudulent purchases" refers to subsequent acts committed by others (e.g., Aragon), which Max is responsible for as he originally stole the cards used to make those purchases. --beefyt (talk) 02:33, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Max, Its "Points" From Victorville A-lower
editContact me. We need to catch up, it's been a while. Email me at aop.llc123(at)protonmail(dot)com 76.175.174.49 (talk) 23:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Usage of "Butler"
editIt seems like sources vary on whether they use primarily "Vision" or "Butler", such as CNET and The Daily Beast, while WIRED here used just "Max". Given that some sources are from before he changed his name (2007), could this potentially be grounds to use "Vision" instead of "Butler" throughout the article?
I think the relevant policies here would be WP:NCP and possibly WP:SPNC or WP:NICKNAME, though as far as I'm aware, he legally changed his last name, and there are a number of sources that document his name change - "Vision" is his "real name" and "Butler" was his "real name", these aren't nicknames or pseudonyms (disregarding "Iceman"). -- WrenFalcon (talk) 04:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)