Talk:Mask Off
Latest comment: 2 months ago by Russ London in topic Prison Song, Tommy Butler
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Single?
editAlthough I do agree that it is the biggest song on the album so far, I couldn't find any sources that indicates that it was sent to the radio as a single (despite a viral challenge occurring). I believe it should just be labeled as a song from the album, but perhaps I can be proven wrong. Would like some other opinions on this @Ss112: @Bloomdoom2: @Cornerstonepicker: @JustDoItFettyg: @BlaccCrab: @32zel:. LilNumerator (talk) 15:37, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Songs do not need to be sent to US radio to be a single; that's just one of the things that can make it a single. That's also a very US-centric argument; songs can be released as singles internationally, and there's not a huge amount of known sources for single status exclusively in other countries and/or radio adds for them (I know of a few for the UK and Australia, and other major markets, but not elsewhere). It's being pushed more internationally than "Selfish" at this point, it appears, and perhaps it has been released officially overseas and we just don't know it. However, what we have at the moment are multiple sources calling it a single. Forbes, Popdust, and HipHopDX, which is the source used in the article. Ss112 15:54, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Ss112: I only say that a song needs to be sent to the radio in order to be considered a single because at times, sources like the one you provided often label songs that are currently charting as singles when they are later confirmed that they aren't (see the sources in Beibs in the Trap). I understand what you are saying about singles overseas, but more often than not editors only put what are singles if they are sent domestically to radio. But that's just what I think. LilNumerator (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- I get what you're saying, but not every source just blindly labels a successful song a "single". Some sources are quite careful to not use the word and consistently use "song" and "album track", so the idea that news outlets throw the word around is not exactly true. As much as I get the concern about the apparent non-existence of a US radio add date for Future, as he is an American rapper and that is his most successful market by far, American artists can still release songs as non-US singles if their international record labels and marketing teams see a song has picked up due to viral success, and so on. If US radio is seen as the definitive factor in making a song a single, then that essentially renders every single ever released in a market that is not by America by a non-American artist merely a "song", so that's why I'm saying it's not the be-all and end-all, but an indication. We just have news sources calling it a single at this point. Anyway, I'm not so sure what more I can offer here, as I've said what I can and the other editors pinged can contribute. (Also, no need to ping me in this discussion, I've watchlisted the page.) Ss112 16:22, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Although I haven't looked long enough to find a sourced add date in the US, there is no doubt this is a single. His team saw how much better this was performing than Draco off the same album so frankly I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled its radio adds in place of Mask Off. Even if no one digs up an add date, he sponsored the challenge on twitter so it would make no sense if his label wasn't pushing it heavily with single treatment. BlaccCrab (talk) 17:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- I also believe a song needs to be sent to radio in order to be considered a single. This hasn't been released as one yet, so the date in infobox is inaccurate. It will prob be released in the next months. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:04, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- The release date in the infobox does not equal "radio add date". It can be whatever date it was released as a download or however it was released as a single, because as was established, songs are released in a multitude of ways that can make them a single and do not necessarily have to be sent to radio, particularly in the US. Other than a belief that a song has to be sent to radio, we have sources calling it a single over and over, and a release date on AllMusic. I don't see any valid reason to doubt what AllMusic lists. When a radio add date is found, the first release date should still be listed. Ss112 04:06, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- I also believe a song needs to be sent to radio in order to be considered a single. This hasn't been released as one yet, so the date in infobox is inaccurate. It will prob be released in the next months. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:04, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Although I haven't looked long enough to find a sourced add date in the US, there is no doubt this is a single. His team saw how much better this was performing than Draco off the same album so frankly I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled its radio adds in place of Mask Off. Even if no one digs up an add date, he sponsored the challenge on twitter so it would make no sense if his label wasn't pushing it heavily with single treatment. BlaccCrab (talk) 17:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- I get what you're saying, but not every source just blindly labels a successful song a "single". Some sources are quite careful to not use the word and consistently use "song" and "album track", so the idea that news outlets throw the word around is not exactly true. As much as I get the concern about the apparent non-existence of a US radio add date for Future, as he is an American rapper and that is his most successful market by far, American artists can still release songs as non-US singles if their international record labels and marketing teams see a song has picked up due to viral success, and so on. If US radio is seen as the definitive factor in making a song a single, then that essentially renders every single ever released in a market that is not by America by a non-American artist merely a "song", so that's why I'm saying it's not the be-all and end-all, but an indication. We just have news sources calling it a single at this point. Anyway, I'm not so sure what more I can offer here, as I've said what I can and the other editors pinged can contribute. (Also, no need to ping me in this discussion, I've watchlisted the page.) Ss112 16:22, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Ss112: I only say that a song needs to be sent to the radio in order to be considered a single because at times, sources like the one you provided often label songs that are currently charting as singles when they are later confirmed that they aren't (see the sources in Beibs in the Trap). I understand what you are saying about singles overseas, but more often than not editors only put what are singles if they are sent domestically to radio. But that's just what I think. LilNumerator (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Prison Song, Tommy Butler
editThe song being sampled is by this person
https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Tony_Butler_(musician)
as from
https://genius.com/Tommy-butler-prison-song-lyrics
Why isn't he included in the article? 99.235.186.132 (talk) 21:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- The sampled song was written by Tommy (not Tony) Butler, who does not have a Wikipedia page. Nor does Carlton Williams, who provided the original vocals. As it currently stands, the "Mask Off" article wrongly suggests that the musical Selma, for which "Prison Song" was written, was Williams's, when it was in fact Tommy Butler's. I haven't attempted to amend it because I have no special knowledge of the subject. Russ London (talk) 11:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)