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Link to Multi-level Marketing

I don't really know what I'm doing, so didn't want to make any edits on my own, but it was frustrating to come here trying to find information about Market America, clicking on the link that said it was multi-level marketing, and have that link take me to https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Digital_marketing. I realize this is a thorny issue, because many don't believe it IS multi-level marketing, but having the link go somewhere else is both frustrating and insulting to the reader. It makes the whole page feel less reliable.

Sorry if this isn't where I should be putting this. And I'm not trying to insult those who don't want it listed as multi-level marketing. I'm just trying to get more information about the company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bohdel (talk • contribs) 20:02, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@Bohdel: A lot of these companies send employees and agents to the articles to try to get "multi-level marketing" or similar terms removed. That might be what happened here. I just removed it specifically because the editor who altered that link didn't explain the change. You don't need to have patience with edits like this; the term has really negative connotations but it's accurate, well-sourced, and important. CityOfSilver 20:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't want to get in the middle of anything, especially since I don't know what I'm doing, but I love wikipedia, and it made me angry in a way that prevented me from being quiet. Bohdel (talk) 20:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

No need to apologize. This article has frequent drive-by vandalism, and the link replacement was one tactic I hadn't seen before. Thanks for the heads-up. - LuckyLouie (talk) 02:44, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Def. not Multi-Level Marketing explained. There are no "levels". YouTube

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I have no idea why you think that a random youtube video is a useful source to bring into this discussion. CBS News and Bloomberg are reliable sources. Grayfell (talk) 21:39, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

However doesn't mean their editor is right. They're still wrong. Multi-Level is something completely different. ACN [1] (with its seven "levels" of compensation) anything beyond those 7-8 "levels" you no longer gain income from in your 'network'. Then there's Amway (with its 9-10 levels of compensation for example you get paid or "compensated" in "levels". Someone you personally sponsor in ACN "1st level" you get x amount and the deeper you earn the percentage drops less and less. Amway has levels also.

In Market America there's no "levels". The volume flows up 100 percent (of 100 percent). AND you can place volume you earned deep-down in your organisation to help your business partners gain checks as well since (after all), the volume is undiluted and it still comes back up to you. There are no multi-levels in Market America if those "editors" had done their research right. CaribDigita (talk) 17:55, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't really know how to respond to that tangle of words. It made no sense, has no rooting in WP policy/GLs, is unsourced personal opinion, and offer no actionable editorial suggestions. Rhode Island Red (talk) 22:42, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Wow. Does Market America also freshen your breath while you chew? If supplies are limited, should I act now, before it's too late?? When striped of it's absurdly promotional tone, this comment seems to claim that personal WP:OR should override sources. That's not helpful at all. Grayfell (talk) 22:56, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

The "Market America can't be an MLM because there are no levels" argument doesn't hold water. Here's an independent source that might clarify things a bit: Understanding Multi-Level Commissions, which identifies the commission structure of Market America and Usana (another MLM company) as a binary plan, which is something exclusively used by multilevel marketing organizations (and yes, it involves levels). - LuckyLouie (talk) 00:18, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

You'll note that same source you posted about Market America a few lines above calls it "Unilevel" ("Uni" meaning "One" Level) for the same reason because the Business Volume "BV" doesn't change each level which is what MLM is. It would be entirely accurate to say Market America is "Network Marketing", or "Binomial", or even "Social shopping" but it's pay structure isn't Multi-Level that's a horse of a different color. CaribDigita (talk) 06:21, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

What page number(s) does the above source call Market America unilevel? Do you have any (other) reliable sources for any of these buzzwords/euphemisms? Grayfell (talk) 06:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Reliable sources refer to Market America as an MLM, and a quick look at the company’s 19-level compensation plan shows that it is clearly an MLM – it’s no different, fundamentally, from that of other MLMs.[2] There’s nothing to debate. BTW, “network marketing” is nothing more than a lesser used synonym for multi-level marketing, so if you’re OK with describing the company as “network marketing”, you are tacitly admitting that it is an MLM. Rhode Island Red (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

The "19-level" compensation plan to which you refer was apparently misinterpreted. These are 19 compensation thresholds that may be achieved by any Unfranchise Owner, reflecting only what the owner is earning, not a particular manner in which the owner is compensated. Each Unfranchise owner, if you review the compensation plan in the manual, is compensated in exactly the same way. Accumulating volume and receiving compensation when certain thresholds are met. There are no percentages and levels. It is not a multi level structure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElaineMN (talk • contribs) 02:12, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Au contraire. The information I linked to above shows in no uncertain terms that the business model is MLM. Rhode Island Red (talk) 03:37, 26 October 2019 (UTC)