Talk:Mark Teixeira

The trade to Atlanta

As of this writing, and per espn.com and mlb.com, the physical is not finished. Thus the trade is not official. He could fail the physical and the deal would be off. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  05:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• The deal is done as of 2:30 PM EST.

First Game

Is it worth mentioning that, in his first at bat with the Braves, he had both an rbi and later scored a run before he had even taken a single swing?

• No. That's a trivial detail that doesn't really need to be in this article. The article states he had a 3-run homer and four RBIs in his first game, which is a succinct explanation. Steviedpeele 17:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

New York Yankees

ESPN's reporting that he agreed to an 8 year 180 million dollar deal. THAT'S A LOT OF HOOCH! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metfan722 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I think he has to pass his physical. Silversword55 (talk) 16:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Not only does he need to take a physical, but there needs to be public acknowledgment from the Yankees that there is a deal... which they won't do (MLB policy) until the physical has been passed. Until then it's just 'inside sources reporting'. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 16:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hes a Yankee, Just put it up already. IT IS OFFICIAL.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.215.137 (talk) 01:20, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Unless a player is signed to a team, he's not a part of its roster. Per WP:CRYSTAL we don't change team details based on the possibility/potential/likelihood of a deal; we only report on completed deals. --Madchester (talk) 01:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

The key word you guys need to look for is "signed." If it says he "signed," then it's official. If it only says he's "agreed," then it's not official. Until the contract is actually signed, then we cannot change him from a free agent to a Yankee. It'd be like calling Barack Obama "President Obama" right now instead of "President-elect Obama." Those are just the rules. Just wait a few days; the Yanks will probably announce it within a few days after Christmas. Locoman412 (talk) 11:53, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I did not say he was signed. I said there was a tentative agreement. To say he's nothing more than a free agent is misleading. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:29, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Again per WP:CRYSTAL, we avoid adding details about potential roster changes. Also Wiki is not news; so we keep updates of his signing situation out of the lead section. There's already a section devoted to this particular deal in the main article. --Madchester (talk) 17:39, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

It is not crystal ball to report what the media have reported. To NOT report it is to mislead. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

It's in the article - but it doesn't look right in the opening sentence like that (especially when its not a fact that there is an agreement) JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 18:05, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the deal is agreed upon. He's "A Yankee" however he's not "officially" a Yankee. When are we going to change it? He's going to pass. So when it's announced that he passed?

You think? How do you know? JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 19:13, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

How about you do some actual research? Like on the Yankees' own page: [1] Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 20:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I need to do research? LOL... 1) MLB.com is not run by the Yankees... it's even independent from the MLB front office. 2) "A baseball source, speaking on the condition of anonymity to MLB.com, confirmed Teixeira's decision to sign with the Yankees. A club spokesman said the Yankees did not expect to have any sort of official statement or announcement on Tuesday." That makes it official? 3) Read the bottom of the article "Bryan Hoch is a reporter for MLB.com. Bill Ladson, Adam McCalvy and Lyle Spencer contributed. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs." JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 20:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

It's still a citable source. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 20:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Again see WP:CRYSTAL; just wait for an official club/league announcement. The same MLB.com sources claimed that a Cabrera-Cameron was "agreed in principle" a few weeks ago, but that deal fell through. WP:CRYSTAL prevents us from forecasting on such events if they do not occur in a regular schedule. --Madchester (talk) 20:36, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

It is not crystal ball to report what verifiable sources are saying. You are posting misleading information in the intro by implying he's just plain free agent. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 20:40, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Every sports news source contradicts the lead of this article. Don't make wikipedia look stupid. I've posted this to the project page to see what others think. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 20:50, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Sources don't contradict that he's a free agent. He's not officially signed yet, which means he's still a free agent at this point in time. It works the same way for every single player signed in the offseason. CC And AJ weren't listed as Yankees until they were introduced by the Yankees, which was about a week after they "agreed." Locoman412 (talk) 05:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Can we just leave the fucking thing as it is? He's a Yankee there's no way in hell he's backing out of the deal unless he's absolutely retarded. Metfan722 (talk) 14:10 (UTC)

He's not a Yankee yet. He didn't sign the contract. Until he actually signs, he's not a Yankee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Locoman412 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

No, but it's a true fact that he's widely reported to have reached an agreement. Let's at least TRY not to make wikipedia look stupid or behind the curve, shall we? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 15:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

He's a free agent right now, and he's free to renege this preliminary agreement to sign with any other team. We had the Furcal and Cabrera-Cameron situations over the past few weeks where the original tentative agreements fell through. Let's follow WP:CRYSTAL and only give due weight to an official signing. Adding phrases like "is widely reported to have reached a preliminary agreement" is also in violation of WP:WEASEL. Thanks. --Madchester (talk) 15:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not just media, it's everyone in baseball. Thank you for your contributions to making wikipedia look stupid. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 16:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Besides, the fact that he's come to an agreement is listed in the Yankees subsection of the article. That's enough for now. Until he puts his signature on that piece of paper and is introduced by the Yankees at a press conference, he's still a free agent and can pull a Furcal. Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

So you think wikipedia is the one that looks stupid, Baseball Bugs? Notice how not one sports site has him listed on the Yankees roster yet? There is a reason for that.... 17:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Read WP:CRYSTAL before chanting it ad naseum. Even if something is a rumor, if the rumor has been reported on by reliable sources, the rumor becomes encyclopedia worthy. His signing is not even a rumor, it's just not official. Thus, since Crystal is not an impediment to the insertion that he has signed it must be included in the lede. I agree with Baseaball Bugs here. If it is not included in the lede WP looks foolish. We wouldn't want people to think that we are a bunch of anal nerds that spend our days reverting articles because its not official. Right?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

How often is a contract signing put in the lead sentence? or paragraph? JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 20:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

When it is very notable. I agree that it isn't a long-term arrangement. When the notable aspect of the signing dies down it should be removed. But right now, when people view this page, they expect some sort of mention in the lede about the signing. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is more of an encyclopedia than a news site. Wikipedia isn't supposed to report news and rumors; it's there for facts. Locoman412 (talk) 21:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The fact is that he came to an agreement. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

And that 'fact' is detailed where it should be. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 21:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's your opinion, which I would otherwise respect if not for the fact that it contradicts WP:LEAD, which requires the lead to "briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article." --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, Teixeira signing a contract is not among the most important points of the article. --Muboshgu (talk) 04:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

In the long term it might not be, but at this time it it the most important part of article. Just look at the last 100 [300] edits to the article. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The number of edits about a certain detail doesn't mean squat - it still needs to follow existing Wiki policy. Time and time again, editors add lyrics to song articles, but they're removed promptly for being copyright violations.

On top of WP:CRYSTAL, I hope we're not forgetting about WP:BLP. We write conservatively about a biographical subject. Hence the lack of over-emphasis on a tentative deal. --Madchester (talk) 05:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Please stop plastering this talkpage with irrelevant wikilinked policies. WP:SONG, WP:COPYVIO,WP:CRYSTAL, and WP:BLP have nothing to do with this situation, where we want to insert verifiable sourced information that is of obvious strong interest to the readers of the article.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP has no application to the article? Even though it's about a biographical subject? There's even a BLP banner at the top of this page! :-) The policy states that we write conservatively about a biographical subject. Combined with WP:CRYSTAL, it means we don't give emphasis on this "tentative" deal when it has yet to be a "done" deal. We already have a section devoted to this potential deal; if we were following WP:CRYSTAL/WP:BLP to the fullest there wouldn't be any Yankee details in the article, period. --Madchester (talk) 05:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I hate to tell you this, and I'll try to tell you this in the most civil way possible, but you clearly are not familiar with wiki policies and the basis behind them. No, WP:BLP has absolutely no connection with this issue. The BLP policy concerns negative and defamatory information about living people. There is nothing defamatory or negative going on if we are in tune with reliable sources and report that Teixeira has come to an agreement with the Yankees. For the umpteenth time, WP:CRYSTAL does not apply to verifiable sourced information. The WP:CRYSTAL policy explicitly states:

“ It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced ”

---brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, WP:BLP applies to all content within a biographical article, defamatory or otherwise.

WP:CRYSTAL also states

“ Avoid predicted sports team line-ups, which are inherently unverifiable and speculative ”

Hence, we don't overemphasize the tentative deal; i.e., Teixiera being a potential/likely/possible/eventual member of the Yankee lineup/roster. Again, per WP:CRYSTAL, we have a discussion of the potential deal within the article under the New York Yankees section. It's already a proper compromise when dealing with his current status.

Thanks. :-) --Madchester (talk) 05:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Please explain how your stance does not contradict the text I quoted from WP:CRYSTAL.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Such discussion is already reported in its own section; but it is downplayed from the rest of the article due to it tentative nature. We don't make any claims that he's a Yankee, will be a Yankee, etc. Ultimately he's still a free agent, and should be reported as so per WP:CRYSTAL.

Your turn, how does your stance not contradict my quote above regarding sport lineups; along with your insistence to sidestep WP:BLP's stance on conservative reporting?  :-) Cheers. --Madchester (talk) 05:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

We are only reporting the current status, there's an agreement pending a physical. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 06:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

He's currently a free agent. He's free to renege on this tentative agreement comme Mr. Furcal. There's no fixed schedule for sport transactions, hence we can't give emphasis to the possibility/likelihood of the deal being completed per WP:CRYSTAL. And back to WP:BLP, we don't need to sensationalize this possibility/likelihood of him becoming a Yankee. The press likes to assume that deals are completed (see Cabrera-Cameron a few weeks ago); we don't have that luxury on Wiki with our existing policies. Either he's a free agent or he's a Yankee. Right now he's the former and we're already acting in compromise by adding info about a tentative deal within the article. Cheers! :-) --Madchester (talk) 06:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

He's currently a free-agent that has signed a preliminary agreement. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 06:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

You can't sign a preliminary agreement. You can sign a contract. --Madchester (talk) 06:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Wrong choice of words. He's currently a free-agent with a preliminary agreement to play for the Yankees. Thanks,--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 06:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that it's only reported via anonymous sources. Again, this harkens back to WP:BLP and the need to write conservatively about an individual and WP:CRYSTAL, where we wait for an official announcement before making such a drastic change to the article. --Madchester (talk) 06:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:RS does not require that the sources for the reliable sources be reliable as well. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 06:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

But WP:BLP requires that we write conservatively about an individual. The policy contains a link to the Siegenthaler incident. I remember monitoring the article when the situation first broke out, and it made me realize how sensitive biographical information can be to the the actual individual. By that same token, I follow WP:BLP to make sure I write about an individual conservatively. In this situation, there's no need to expand any further than the section already embedded within the article. --Madchester (talk) 06:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

A full reading of WP:BLP indicates that the policy is concerned with private information, negative information, embarrassing information, libel issues. None of which apply here. Besides, everything is sourced with RS. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 06:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

He's being introduced tomorrow at 1. No shot that he leaves. He's a Yankee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.96.91 (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Uh huh. So then he'll officially become a Yankee at 1pm tomorrow, or sometime soon thereafter. It's not official until the transaction is made adding Teixeira to the 40 man roster, which will necessitate someone being taken OFF the 40 man roster. So until that happens, it's not official. --Muboshgu (talk) 04:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The Yankees will release a press release once it is official. You'll notice they made press releases announcing the signings for both Sabathia and Burnett on the day they were introduced. The Yanks will do the same thing for Teixeira. Locoman412 (talk) 05:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't take the Yankees' word for it. You need third party verification. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:08, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Although I certainly understand why my edit was erased , due to the flat out dumb comments and hate some have put on his page before, I certainly believe his trip to his home Baltimore, along with his quote"in a perfect world, I'd be an Oriole" should be included as it is revelant to his baseball history, and Baltimore is his hometown, I feel its important to show what happens when you go against your hometown team for what he basically said was more money. Look at the Sun article. It has everything.. Your thoughts welcome . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phillysoccer (talk • contribs) 01:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Mark Teixeira's nickname?

There should something mention about his nickname? Whoever is in charge of this page, Please consider? "Mark Teixeira goes by the nickname Tex, even though there is not an ex sound in his name."

Found here: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00EFDC1E3DF934A35752C0A96F9C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all