Talk:Mạc dynasty

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In Vietnamese officially historical records, such as Đại Việt Sử ký toàn thư or Khâm Định Việt sử thông giám cương mục all wrote that Mac Dang Doanh (son of Mac Dang Dung) died in 1540 and Mac Dang Dung never ruled again after death of his son. Could you give a reliable source wrote that Dang Dung ruled two times.Vuong Ngan Ha 00:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Sino-Vietnamese characters

The reason for not removing Hán tự (Sino-Vietnamese characters) from articles such as this is that that writing system, though originating in China, was in fact used by the Vietnamese people (along with Chữ Nôm, a special script developed by Vietnamese people to write Vietnamese literature) for well over one thousand years to record their own history and official documents, as well as to name their kings, places, and important books. It also allows one to easily find the meaning behind a person's or place name. They are used judiciously for this purpose in articles relating to the history of Vietnam. Wikipedia is a place where subjects should be treated thoroughly, and leaving out clarifying characters where they are appropriate (as has been explained to the editor repeatedly removing the characters no fewer than three previous times), solely because of anti-Chinese POV, does not help our readers in their pursuit of a complete treatment of these subjects. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, but the continued blanking, as seen today (February 11, 2008) is not helpful.

An examination of the comparable articles at the Vietnamese Wikipedia, which are on the whole very well written and comprehensive, shows that they do include these characters, for the same reasons outlined above.

Note: the editor referred to such Sino-Vietnamese characters as "ugly" and "dirty" in this edit.

• Quotes from the above post by user Jacques Nguyen:

“ It's like that no care about the dirty Han tu. ”

“ And the final answer is that we must must remove all ugly Chinese characters from Vietnamese articles. ”

Badagnani (talk) 23:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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"This relationship carried over to the Qing"

@2601:204:e37f:fff1:c42c:e57:afdb:17ac: Instead of asserting your opinions here, read the actual supporting citation (bolding mine):

In the exchange, the Mac received more than just breathing room, they also gained the recognition and support of the Ming. This relationship carried over to the Qing and allowed the Mac to continue to dispute Le and later Le-Trinh claims to power, even after the Mac were expelled from Thang Long in 1592 and fled to Ming protection in the north

Another source:

Once the Southern Ming ceased to be a force in Vietnamese politics, the Qing dynasty quickly became the new mediator in the Le-Mac struggle [...] The Kangxi Emperor (r. 1661 - 1722) spoke on behalf of the Mac [...] Mac Nguyen Thanh previously sent tribute and expressed his sincere submission.

This latter source actually suggests later on that the Mac-Qing relationship ended in 1673. — MarkH₂₁^talk 20:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)