Talk:Luise Duttenhofer

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 02:25, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

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Angelica Kauffman by Luise Duttenhofer

• ... that Luise Duttenhofer, who was not encouraged to become a professional artist, made more than 1500 papercuts (example pictured)? Source: Sedda 2014: [1]
  • ALT1: ... that the papercuttings (example pictured) of Luise Duttenhofer, one of the most important German silhouettists, were rediscovered in 1909? Source: Sedda 2010: [2], introduction, esp. p. 8
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Qiandama
  • Comment: Always happy to hear suggestions for better hooks. There are some more images on Commons as well.

5x expanded by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 22:26, 4 May 2022 (UTC).

Hmm, maybe too much poetic license, but I do love a quirky hook:

• ALT2: ... that Luise Duttenhofer died in 1829 after more than 1,500 papercuts (example pictured)?
  • ALT2a: ... that Luise Duttenhofer died in 1829 after more than a thousand papercuts?

Not sure if the quirk and the photo could coexist, although I did pull it off with Outstanding in the Field. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 02:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC), edited to add ALT2a 19:48, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Nice hook! I think that also works without the picture if necessary. —Kusma (talk) 07:49, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

ALT2 is brilliant but works better without the image IMO. Schwede66 08:50, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

in progress Fine article based on good sources and the expansion is recent and well over 5 fold. Its neutral and the images are well out of copyright. I had a problem with "not allowed" as neither the article or the ref put it this strongly. (Angelica Kauffmann is evidence that it was possible). I have boldly changed it to "encouraged" which is supported. So main hook (with mod) - tick. The source offered for alt1 only shows me an abstract so I would have to QPQ the 1909 date - but I'll try other sources. No problems at all with Alt2... although I would change it to "more than a thousand" which would still be true and would channel the "Death by a thousand cuts". Victuallers (talk) 15:33, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Victuallers for having a look! The whole "was not allowed" story is something I find difficult to convey – her family certainly did not allow her to study, even though it was theoretically possible. She was apparently envious of other women allowed to study art all her life (and of her husband). For ALT1, at the link I gave you also find the full text, which has the 1909 date for the first publication and exhibition after her death. "Rediscovered in 1909" might be slightly overstating it; the source says "Das zu Lebzeiten Duttenhofers nur einem kleinen Personenkreis bekannte Werk, geriet bald nach ihrem Tod 1829 in Vergessenheit. Erst zu Beginn des 20. Jahrhunderts wurde Duttenhofers Werk durch Gustav Pazaurek, den damaligen Direktor des Landesgewerbemuseums Stuttgart, wiederentdeckt, in einer Ausstellung vorgestellt und ansatzweise publiziert." Pazaurek may have rediscovered her a few years earlier, but people only noticed in 1909 when he went public. —Kusma (talk) 18:13, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I think any of these hooks are fine and supported by refs. Let the picker pick. I did shorten the second hook which I think is fully supported by the German text. I didn't download the c.300Mbyte full text but the snippet you supplied was convincing. Thank you for this. Oh I also changed the caption so that it mentions her and doesnt encourage readers to click and find out more about Kauffman without seeing your new article. Thanks for your patience. Victuallers (talk) 08:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

ezlev always has a good quirky up their sleeve :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

from the DYK item, today

"...died after a thousand paper-cuts". I'm amused to see this creative phrasing to note the artistic output and to commemorate the creative legacy of this admirable, eminent, and prolific artist. well done! --Sm8900 (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2022 (UTC)