Talk:Lucretia Garfield/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammielh (talk · contribs) 11:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll pick up this review. Comments below. Sammielh (talk) 11:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Comments

• "She was the firstborn child of carpenter Zebulon Rudolph and Arabella Mason Rudolph," I would include details of younger siblings if known
  • The source says she's the oldest of four, so I added that.
• "She then attended the Geauga Seminary in Chester Township, Ohio, at same time as James A. Garfield. Her father then co-founded the Western Reserve Eclectic Institute (now Hiram College), and she began attending the school in 1850" I would remove one of the "then"s
• "James attended the school as well, and he also took on a teaching position, becoming one of Randolph's teachers"
• I don't think Institute should be capitalised
• "women could achieve in society" I'm not sure what this means
  • Clarified: "women were capable of their own achievements in society". Still not loving the wording if you have any other suggestions.
• Link Howland Springs to Howland Township, Trumbull County, Ohio
• "the Garfields arrived in Washington on March 1, 1881."
• "Garfield paid more attention to political aspects of the role," More attention than what? She had previously or than previous first ladies?
  • Clarified: "Garfield paid more attention to political aspects of the role than the social aspects"
• "accept their abilities as educated individuals" could you expand on what this means?
  • Clarified: "feeling that women had yet to embrace education, which she believed was necessary before equality could be achieved"
• The lead says she went to Long Branch, New Jersey but this is not in the article
• "but the sight of Lucretia, still visibly ill, caused him..."
• "However, Edsom was paid half the amount the men were being paid."
• I would link James A. Garfield National Historic Site somewhere in the discussion of it, it might also be worth including a photo
• "Since 1982, Siena College Research Institute"
• The Swain source can be linked here
• In external links, what does "Original text based on White House biography" mean?
  • It means I forgot to remove that after I rewrote the article. A lot of the U.S. first lady articles were just copy-pastes from that public domain source when they were first created.
• Is there a link for where the photo of James and Lucretia comes from?
  • I'm unable to find one.
• There appears to be author information for Garfield children on the LOC link which is currently missing from Commons; I think it should have similar licensing to the infobox image rather than what is currently used
  • Added a licensing tag specific to that collection.
• I would be inclined to add some photos into the later sections as they currently stop rather abruptly and there do appear to be photos of her later years on Commons
  • I usually do an image run with these before nominating; I completely forgot! Images added.

You've done a good job with this, I'll do spotchecks as soon as I get the chance. Sammielh (talk) 11:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Sammielh, I've made all recommended changes, replying above where applicable. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Spotchecks

• "believing that she as a woman was less capable" I cannot see where the source specifically says this (only that he thought she was overexerting herself)
  • I think I got that from Their letters reflect the ways in which the beliefs of their time affected women’s education, activity, and health. But it's not a direct connection, so I've removed it.
• Is there a reason that source [5] doesn't have page references in the text? I would also cite the chapter itself as it has a different author (i.e. Carl Sferrazza Anthony)
  • It was there before I began editing. I actually try not to use this source because it's a collection of interviews, so I've replaced or removed each instance. This includes most of the information about Edson, which I'm unable to verify in any other source and seems to contradict other information.
• I cannot see where "Garfield was attracted to her keen intellect and appetite for knowledge" is specifically in the source
  • One of the aforementioned replaced items.
• The rest of the spotchecks have raised no issues
• The new photos have good licensing, I just remain a bit concerned about the photo of James and Lucretia in the "Years of darkness" section
  • I've replaced the erroneous Creative Commons tag with an assumed public domain tag.

Thanks for your comments above and amendments, just a few more things. Sammielh (talk) 16:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Sammielh, I've responded to each point. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:35, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien: Looks great, I'll promote now! Sammielh (talk) 17:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC)