Talk:Louise Hippolyte, Princess of Monaco

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Requested move 27 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 06:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

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Louise Hippolyte, Princess of Monaco → Louise Hippolyte – The princess seems to be the primary meaning for this title. Векочел (talk) 04:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 01:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Let's maintain the "Monarch of country" style for these page titles, so readers immediately know what country is be being reigned over. PS - Can't we wait until other RMs are completed, before starting others? GoodDay (talk) 17:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose in line with point 4 of WP:SOVEREIGN which clearly states that when there is no ordinal, the country name is retained (despite the recent change to point 3). Point 4 goes on to say that exceptions can be made in accordance with WP:CRITERIA, and indeed an argument might be made under WP:COMMONNAME for Princess Louise Hippolyte; using the princess's forenames only would not comply. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Actually, looking at this a bit more, there are two further points:

1. Her name should be hyphenated (Louise-Hippolyte) according to most reliable sources.
2. Monegasque sovereigns do seem to use ordinals even for the first and only holder with a given name, e.g. Antonio I and Jacques I, and there are several reliable sources that use an ordinal for Louise-Hippolyte.

Accordingly support move to Louise-Hippolyte I – and also drop "Prince of Monaco" from all the other unambiguous Monegasque rulers. Rosbif73 (talk) 13:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Single name: "don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used". DrKay (talk) 09:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  What title would you suggest? At the very least we ought to hyphenate as Louise-Hippolyte, Princess of Monaco (the page was moved away from that title back in 2009 but I see no trace of a discussion); other options could include Louise-Hippolyte I as mentioned above or Louise-Hippolyte Grimaldi as seen in some reliable sources. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:26, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for titles lesser than King/Queen, we use the title. Richiepip (talk) 04:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.