Talk:Long-Range Aviation

30th Air Army Sandbox

In the spring-summer 1980 the headquarters of the 8th Separate Heavy Bomber Aviation Corps (deployed Blagoveshchensk) х has formed a basis for expansion in Irkutsk managements of 30-th ВА ВГК strategic purpose. The structure of 30-th Air Army ВГК besides 31st and 55th heavy bombing aviadivisions (connections of Distant aircraft entered earlier in number) for some time included also formations of front aircraft (including arrived in the end 1979 into Transbaikalia 21st Bomber Aviation division, (machine translated from http://voiska.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=134&pid=10877&mode=threaded&show=&st=%EF%BF%BDentry1087) Buckshot06 (talk) 06:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Convoluted history

Can we do something about the confusion surround the composition and status of the LRA? It was known as such until 1998 when it was disbanded. Between 1991 and 1998, the force was split between Kazahkstan (I think), Ukraine, and Russia. After 1998 Russia's strategic responsibilities were taken up by the 37th Air Army, until 2009 when again the bomber force was again organised and renamed Long Range Aviation Command. Should I create the articles Long Range Aviation Command and Long Range Aviation (Ukraine)? I need suggestions. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 05:30, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Long Range Aviation (Ukraine) looks a little unwieldy - are there any other possible titles with a more natural name?

I can only find ru:Дальняя авиация Украины which translates to Дальняя авиация Украины. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 00:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

If it has to be split, perhaps a split between a core article with all the history, and one or more articles for current-day formations. (Or maybe merge something into articles on national air forces which are already biased towards the current day). bobrayner (talk) 11:27, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't catch what you said. Here's what I mean:

• Long Range Aviation, which served with the Soviet Union from pre-WWII to 1991 and with Russia from early 1992 to 1998.
• 37th Air Army, which served with the Soviet Union intermittently, before constituting the Russian's Air Force's nuclear deterrent from 1998 to 2009.
• Long Range Aviation Command (Russia; 2009-present) --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 00:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Conducted LRA 24/7 patrols like SAC ?

Claimed in article Launch on warning is that LRA presumably conducted 24/7 round-the-clock patrols like SAC did for some period of time. This seems doubtful, looking at LRAs considerably lower bomber, tanker and base potential. Anything to say about that ? Thank you, --129.187.244.28 (talk) 14:59, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Transliteration of the name does not match the Cyrillic

Something isn't right. This edit changed the transliteration of the Cyrillic name "Дальняя Авиация" from "Dalnyaya Aviatsiya" (correct) to "Aviatsiya dal'nego deystviya" (wrong):

https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Long_Range_Aviation&diff=prev&oldid=695112542

Regardless of the correct choice of Russian name, the transliteration should match the original text.

Does anyone have a clear understanding of what the actual name was? "Дальняя Авиация" appears to be widely understood term, but it's simply not the same as "Aviatsiya dal'nego deystviya", and at the very least some clarification is needed. I'm guessing that "Дальняя Авиация" is an abbreviation, and in which case, we should have the original Cyrillic and transliteration for both names.

Ghiraddje 15:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

ADD and DA.VS

This article would benefit greatly from being split in two: although there is a continuum, just as with RFC/RAF and with USAAF/USAF, the two terms are not the same.

One article would be: ADD/18-a VA (WW2 and prior). One article would be: DA.VS (Cold War and beyond).

To say that 'ADD was the Cold War equivalent SAC' is just incorrect. As it would be to say that USAAC/USAAF was the Cold War equivalent of ADD/DA.VS, for much the same reasons.

For the linguistics, ADD does mean literally Aviation of Long-Range, whereas DA would be more Distant Aviation. There is a nuance. Just as ADD and DA are not the same, it is inappropriate to use LRA to cover both terms. Both were were long-range and both had a strategic focus.

DA could certainly be described as the equivalent of SAC for the Cold War era.

The point about ADD was that it was an autonomous force, independent of the rest of the VVS-PVO. Even when it was integrated in 1944, as 18th Air Army, it kept its distinct role, and became essentially the Soviet counterpart of the US 8th AF/RAF Bomber Cmd. Do note that ADD included transport units. Those familiar with air history will think of the the WW1 'Independent AF' and the WW2 PFF, which was likewise 'integrated' as a Group, but likewise kept its role and ethos.

Reason rarely triumphs over proprietorial instincts, but splitting would be straightforward and would allow better focus. Dixi.Protozoon (talk) 16:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

WP:SIZERULE says that articles under 40 kB or so should not be split yet. Article is currently about 26 kB. Far too small, just as long as all the redirects are in place. You make a great case, it's all fine, but not yet; add 15 kB or so of text, and then, yes absolutely!! Buckshot06 (talk) 02:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Protozoon are you relatively happy with my rewrite of the introduction to respond to your (valid) concerns? Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 22:07, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME?

It seems like most RS call it "Long Range" and not "Long-Range".

No dash might also be a better rendering of дальнего even though it doesn’t strictly adhere to English conventions.

Just a passing thought as I'm not starting an RM yet. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 05:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)