Talk:List of wars involving the United States

I think saying we lost the Iraq war is ignorant.

Propaganda to say we lost the Iraq war. It was a fight against saddam. The after math is the aftermath. But we won the Iraq war and hung their leader. 50.45.25.163 (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely. The US also won the war in Afghanistan. The way people think of this war is frankly bizarre and historically unprecedented. In Iraq and Afghanistan the war was over very quickly, enemy forces were completely destroyed, enemy army disbanded, enemy government killed or sent into hiding... they're both total, absolute victories. All US goals achieved. After that, the occupation of both countries began. 20 years later, the occupation ended. Saying that the US lost Afghanistan would be like saying the US lost World War 2 because eventually the occupation of Japan and Germany ended. If, today, a group of Neo-Confederates managed to rise up and declare their own sovereign state somewhere in South Carolina, would we say that the Union lost the Civil War? No... that would be nuts. It would be a new chapter of history unfolding. The Civil War was over in 1865 when major combat operations ceased. If someone other than Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee want to take up the banner later... that doesn't mean this someone else has the chance to win the war for the South. The South already lost. If some rednecks waving Confederate battle flags want to bomb federal buildings in the South or terrorize black people or whatever... this doesn't mean that the war is ongoing. It's so.. SO weird how Iraq and Afghanistan are thought of. Did Alexander lose against Persia and the Achaemenid Empire because he later died and then other independent Persian states emerged? (if so, we need to go and update the Wikipedia page on Alexander the Great, because all of his wars are listed as victories in spite of the fact that he's not still alive and ruling over them to this day which makes them defeats using the logic of this page) 100.15.39.141 (talk) 16:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I was reading this and it seems like it was written by someone who was profoundly ignorant of either conflict. The War of Afghanistan ended in November 2001 when we captured every major city, and installed a Pro-U.S. Government.

Where we fumbled the ball? It wasn't in the occupation, we occupied Afghanistan for 20 years, and we could've occupied Afghanistan indefinitely anything was nothing the Taliban could've done to stop us. We lacked clear strategic goals, and just engaged in counter-terrorism operations. Afghanistan, and the culture are not really instituted to a democratic government, and we kept trying to force it on them. If it wasn't for Bin Laden, we wouldn't of been in Afghanistan at all, and after his death, we had no real reason for being there and should've left than.

To imply, we lost Iraq, is equally laughable. We devested Iraqi forces every single time we engaged in large-scale conflict. The Gulf War, lasted two months with Iraq having one of the largest militaries in the world, and in a way better strategic position to fight us. They got their butt's kicked and fell into irrelevance. The Second Iraq-War, ended in December of 2003 with the capture of Hussein, and debatably ended long before that. Once more anything after that date is an occupation, and not open conflict. Once more, we just stayed there with no real plan, or objective which is why we pulled out in 2011.

I guess my open question what would constitute a win in these situations, we stay there forever? CybereusArmy (talk) 01:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Did the Philippine-American War end in 1902 or 1913?

This article presents the canonically recognized end-year as 1902. Regarding post-1902 conflicts in the Philippines, a contested claim asserts:

"Some historians consider these unofficial extensions to be part of the war."self-published YouTube video of an individual who is not a subject-matter expert on the Philippine-American War, asserts a novel end-date for the Philippine-American War that has not passed peer review by established subject-matter experts.

This claim is used to justify inclusion of the Moro Rebellion in the article info box of the Philippine-American War. Does anyone have any thoughts or views on the veracity of this claim? Chino-Catane (talk) 18:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Chino-Catane (talk) 18:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2024

My request is to change the Cherokee-American Wars to the name Chickamauga wars, and they ended in 1794 not 1795. So Chickamauga Wars from 1776-1794. Here's a couple sources for verification: https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Chickamauga_Wars_(1776–94), https://mrnussbaum.com/chickamauga-war, https://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/8/1/231368/Chickamauga-Cherokee-Wars---Part-1-of.aspx TheHistorianOf354 (talk) 22:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Fandom is a big no-no (WP:FANDOM), and others doesn't look any better. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

We should consider adding the Taiping Rebellion to this List.

The United States had at least one maybe two battles with during the Taiping Rebellion. One was the Battle of Muddy Flat in 1854 Shanghai by the Shanghai Volunteer Corps along with an unknown number of English volunteers and 30 American merchantmen against Qing Dynasty forces during the Small Swords Society amidst Taiping Rebellion. The Shanghai Volunteer Corps was composed of British and American Sailors and Marines according to the Book "One Hundred Eighty Landings of United States Marines 1800-1934". They fought a against the Small Swords Society for not leaving the surrounding areas of the foreign concessions. The British and Americans won with few KIAs and wounded, while the Qing suffered numerous, but uncalculated dead and wounded.

I can get more specific numbers on the casualties if asked, I am looking into creating a new article on it at some point, as the only wiki reference to it that I am aware of it is in the Shanghai Volunteer Corps article. But I think for the fact that the U.S. participated in this battle alone that the U.S. should be included as a participant in the Taiping Rebellion.

The possible second battle would be the Battle of Shanghai (1861) though I would want more information on this event. According to the article the U.S.A. participated in this battle, but there is not much context. Accept a citation that I had trouble accessing. But the editor could have meant two things. It could have been that the Shanghai Volunteer Corps. I know they were still active in 1861, but I am not sure if they still had Americans surviving in the volunteers at the time. They could have been, but there is no mention of the Shanghai Volunteer Corps in the article. It could also be that the original editor was referring to the Ever Victorious Army which was a Chinese force mixed of Chinese, American, European, and Filipino soldiers and led by the American Frederick Townsend Ward. It is debated whether or not this was a force led by mercenaries or filibusters, but either way I don't think we can count the E.V.A. as a U.S. military force. So we could only count it as a U.S. military battle if we can confirm that the Shanghai Volunteer Corps was active and still implemented U.S. marines and sailors.

What are everyone's thoughts? Any input and or help would be appreciated. I am newer to Wikipedia, but I want to explore this idea. I have a handful of sources we can use, and some research opportunities I can do to gain more insights. Historyguy1138 (talk) 18:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)