Talk:List of people from Palm Springs, California

Continue to include residents of communities near Palm Springs?

This article has become rather large. Do we still want to list people that live/lived near Palm Springs instead of in Palm Springs? Or should there be another article listing the non-PS residents? 72Dino (talk) 17:47, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

My few thoughts (but not editing efforts) have been about the Coachella Valley article. It has a nice little narrative about residents, and I'm wondering about how setting up a new list article would detract or complement the CV article. (Otherwise, in terms of the PS and PS People list and PS Walk of Stars articles, I have no problem in setting up CV list of names.) Go ahead, if you like, and do a cut & paste of the non-PS people into a new article, and then we can work out how it will complement the CV article. Moreover, the CV article is at 75k, so it can actually use a little paring back as opposed to adding names to it.--S. Rich (talk) 02:07, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

And when it comes time to split out the people from other-than-Palm-Springs we can leave those with PS connections in the PS article. Example, Jane Wyman.--S. Rich (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

• Shouldn't this article be renamed if it is to contain more than just residents of Palm Springs? I have removed it from Category:People from Palm Desert, California for now. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes and no. Literally the article is a "List of people from the Coachella Valley", but that title lacks cache and is actually vague because PS is the major community in the valley. Better titles might be "List of people from Palm Springs and Coachella Valley, California" or "List of people from the greater Palm Springs, California, area". But these titles are long and awkward.

In setting up the article I thought about the many sources for people in the area which vaguely say the people lived, died, etc. in Palm Springs -- when they actually had homes in the nearby towns. This is the result of history, when Palm Springs became the well known resort -- the bylines of various articles cited PS when the actual event was elsewhere. (For example, the Betty Ford Center is in Rancho Mirage, but news about various retreats to BFC will say PS. Or famous people might visit the Annenbergs in PS while the estate (Sunnylands) is in RM.) Another complication: the Census Bureau lists both PS and Palm Desert as "PMSA -- Primary Metropolitan Statistical Areas" [1]. So where do RM or Cathedral City, Thousand Palms, etc. fit in? Coupled with this is the Palm Springs Walk of Stars which lists 350+ people connected with Palm Springs. I thought keeping this list as "People from PS" was consistent with the PS WoS article.

Would something like "List of people associated with San Francisco" work?--S. Rich (talk) 16:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Walk of Stars

I am not going to re-revert your edits, however it does not follow logically that just because personages are listed on the Palm Springs list of stars page that they should not be listed here as well, for in instances as in the case of Ken Venturi it is a case of cross refrencing as he resided in Rancho Mirage- the list of who lived in Palm Springs if you are going to be factually and contextually accurate should include them all.Masterknighted (talk) 17:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I've considered the question as one of size management. This article is already pretty big at 78k. The Walk article is 48k. Adding Walk people to this one would make it huge-huge. (After all, if Venturi gets two listings, why shouldn't everyone else?) And then why have two articles? Well, a single article would detract from the prestige of the Walk article. Those Walk folks would either get their own section + subsections, or they'd get astricks by their names to designate Walk status. As for the geographical expanse of the article, please see the discussion above. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 17:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Well the walk is not a place like a place is a place so the article could be construed as being an advertisement for an attraction where as somebody should be noted for being where they are from and they are not from a plaque on a sidewalk - Masterknighted (talk) 18:11, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I understand what you mean by a place being a place. The same thing is true for the Hollywood Walk of Fame & List of stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame – a big tourist attraction for Hollywood. (And we have articles for Disneyland.) But we don't consider those articles as advertisements. The Palms Springs Walk of Stars doesn't merit two articles – but it does serve well to keep this simpler List of people article at proper size and format. What do you propose we do? – S. Rich (talk) 14:02, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

George Zander

I've included George Zander's name to the Civil, Political & Labor Leaders section because he is a known activist in Palm Springs. Sadly, he became even more notable after he and his husband were attacked on November 1st, 2015, which made news all over. He passed away on December 10th, 2015 and the entire Palm Springs LGBTQIA community mourned of his passing. Since his passing, he was given a star in the Palm Springs Walk Of Stars, and both Equality California and the Greater Palm Springs Pride has named awards after him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:FAC7:6200:F028:23E2:FD24:663 (talk) 00:28, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Please take a moment to read Wikipedia:Notability (people), and if you think Zander is notable write an article about him. Then add a link to the article, with a reliable source, to this article. That's pretty much the only way to prevent an unsourced name with no sources from being deleted. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:04, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Yup. The general convention for Wikipedia is to keep non-notable people off of such lists. We gage notability by WP:Notability standards. (Perhaps you'd like to create an article on him?) Also, we avoid memorials. You mention that he has a Golden Palm Star. I've found a reference for this, so I will add his name to that listing. – S. Rich (talk) 01:08, 18 June 2016 (UTC) Name added just now.01:15, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Obama's Move to Palm Springs, California

On Tuesday, 17 January 2017, the President's Press Secretary, Josh Earnest, announced that outgoing President Barack H. Obama and his family will be moving this coming Friday, 20 January 2017, to Palm Springs, California, immediately following the President-elect's inauguration. Apparently, the Obama family has bought a new house and property in Palm Springs, CA. and have decided to make California their home. I think that it would be good to mention this in the current article.Davidbena (talk) 22:24, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

The list should only include those "that were born, or lived for a significant amount of time, in the city", per WP:USCITIES#Notable people. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:40, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I see. While he does meet the "notability" requirement, the question that I would ask is how much time would it take for him to qualify for "a significant amount of time" in Palm Springs? Thanks anyway.Davidbena (talk) 01:34, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

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