Talk:List of neighborhoods in Detroit/Archive 1

Road names

Road names are considered neighborhoods in Detroit. 69.209.167.133 04:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Find a reliable source for that and I'll agree with you.--Isotope23 ^talk 12:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Just ask around, every body knows neighborhoods in detroit are major street names, not side streets though. 29.239.167.153 04:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll bite. As an example, let's look at Seven Mile. Seven Mile runs pretty much the width of Detroit. Give me the definition of the "Seven Mile neighborhood." What are its boundaries?Andrew Jameson (talk) 16:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

A seven mile neighborhood can range anywhere from E. 7 Mile & Van Dyke to 7 Mile & Greenfield, street Intersections are subjected as neighborhoods in detroit like Dexter Blvd. & Davison Ave. 69.208.126.81 (talk) 01:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I might buy that. "Dexter-Davison," for example, defines a particular place rather than a 30-mile long corridor like "7 Mile" does. However, a few things: First of all, your edit eliminated a string of neighborhoods (Sherwood Forest, Springwells, University District, Grandmont, Green Acres, and Mies van der Rohe Residential District, to name a few) that clearly should be there. That's not to say the list doesn't need trimming, but it doesn't need wholesale deletion, I don't think. Second of all, some of the "neighborhoods" you included in their place aren't actually neighborhoods. "Rosa Parks-Boston Blvd," for example, is in the middle of Boston-Edison. Third of all, I'd like to see some reliable sources for the rest of the neighborhoods you included being considered cohesive neighborhoods. Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I see your point but since Boston Blvd is not the main street in the area that would be called Boston Edison, If you went a few streets over to Linwood & Boston, it would simply be called Linwood, Intersections dont always work as street names in Detroit but most do. 69.209.167.133 04:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Revert

This article was such a mess, I've reverted back to User:63.157.66.37's version. I will be going through all the subsequent edits to see if anything can/should be merged, but bear in mind... the only information that should appear here is verifiable info from Reliable Sources... and not a list of roads (which is duplication of information that exists elsewhere).--Isotope23 17:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• Briggs section was a copyright violation of [1]
• Rivertown incorportates copyright violation from [[2]]
• Brush Park copyright violation from [3]
• Grandmont-Rosedale copyright violation of [4]

Also, if there is already a link to an external article, as in the case of Corktown, it is not necessary to bring the text back here.--Isotope23 17:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Pilgrim Village

I've removed the Pilgrim Village section (diff) because it is a direct copyvio from here. I have no objection to it being added back If someone writes an original piece.--Isotope23 11:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Foxtown

Someone needs to add a source showing this area is referred to as "Foxtown" and outlining its borders; otherwise this designation is a neologism.--Isotope23 18:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

i think the redirect should be removed, coz foxtown could also refer to the outlet chain. -- Boggie 17:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Five Points

While doing cleanup I found the article Five Points, Detroit which was basicly a description of Old Redford. I redirected to this article. --Brad101 23:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Remove Projects from this article

I think 'Projects' should not be listed in this article. They don't really fall in the same category as neighborhoods. Maybe there could be a seperate list of Detroit projects?

Another note - other city neighborhood pages don't list projects with them - some examples - Neighborhoods of Chicago, Neighborhoods of New York City, List of Neighborhoods in Denver, List of Atlanta neighborhoods, New Orleans neighborhoods

Mexicantown & Welcome Center

I motion to remove the following claim from the Mexicantown section, since the Welcome Center has since closed and the space now for lease: "Mexicantown has had a thriving economy in recent years, as evidenced by new housing, increased business openings and the recently opened Mexicantown International Welcome Center." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.14.22.44 (talk) 02:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Bad Link

The U of M brightmoore link is out of date.

"missing page: http://www.umich.edu/~thedp/community/brightmoorinfo.html You have requested a resource that is not available on this web server. It is difficult to guess why this is the case on a server with so many different, unrelated web pages, but the page, image, or resource you requested is not available at this time. " —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.61.190.218 (talk) 20:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

I've corrected the racial breakdown (per the 2000 census) for Springwells Village

Looking at the racial breakdown for Springwells Village something seemed funny. (Anyone who has ever been there can tell that there is know way that it's only 12.5% Latino!) Looking over the census data it's turns out I was right. The racial breakdown originally shown: 75.1% White, 12.3% Black, etc. is the racial breakdown for the U.S. as a whole. The new racial breakdown accurately reflects what is shown on the table from the U.S. Census Bureau for the zipcode 48209. I've also changed the racial categories used in the article to comport with those used by the census bureau. On a said note I'm not really sure why there is racial data for Springwells Village, I mean who really cares? Ninoscalia1986 06:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Good catch. Yeah, given the fact that no other neighborhood has census information posted, it seems out of place to call it out just for Springwells. I'm going to remove it for the time being.--Isotope23 12:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Downtown

Please, this is not a page to list every major project going on downtown. These are supposed to be short and sweet descriptions of the area. I'm going to pare down the downtown section like it was. --Criticalthinker 23:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Cultural Center

The "Cultural Center Historic District" (currently a section title on the main page) is actually quite small: exactly three buildings, as a matter of fact. The "Cultural Center" in common parlance encompasses a larger district, including at least the other museums nearby, probably Wayne State University as well, and, what the heck, probably everyone in the University Cultural Center Association while we're at it. The section should either be trimmed to contain only the three buildings within the historic district, or retitled, with some definition as to what is and is not within the "cultural center." Is there any consensus as to what this might be? My sense is a perimeter that contains the major museums + Wayne State + CCS would be about right, but my opinion is hardly definative. Andrew Jameson (talk) 19:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Separate Articles?

I feel like a lot of these should have seperate, larger articles on here. How many of them do? Like 8? It just seems like a city like Detroit and its various neighborhoods should have a more in-depth source of information rather than a 1 paragraph blurb. Is this even possible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.241.138.29 (talk) 00:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

• On this topic, I have removed a merge tag (proposing to merge the Delray, Detroit article with this one) because it had been on that page and this one since September, 2007 with no discussion. Editors of this page seem to want to have separate articles. If you disagree, please state your reasons here. Bry9000 (talk) 21:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, now editor 69.208.126.81 undid my removal of the merge tag without discussing it here, and without giving reasons. Dear 69.208.126.81: please state your reasons why the merge tag should be here, especially given my reasons above for removing it. It's not reasonable to revert another editor's changes without explaining them. Bry9000 (talk) 21:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

For those Separate Articles...

Seems like it would be nice to al least have the lede of the separate article here on this page so there's some information on these neighborhoods, in context. Any objection/discussion? Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Support. That's common practice on WP, and it makes sense here so that readers could get a little bit of info on Indian Village, etc without having to go to the separate page for that neighborhood. Bry9000 (talk) 21:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Palmer Park

Why is Palmer Park included here? It's not really a neighborhood, and the brief mention in the Palmer Woods section should be more than sufficient. Andrew Jameson (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

AIA does officially list Palmer Park as a separate neighborhood from Palmer Woods, so whoever included it has it ok. AIA says Palmer Park neighborhood is bounded by McNichols, Ponchartrain, and Covington and calls it the Palmer Park Historic District same as Palmer Park Apartment Building Historic District. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 18:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Organization

The organization of this article is more than a little sloppy, IMO, particularly since some of the neighborhoods are subsets on other neighborhoods (Greektown and Downtown, for example, or Cultural Center/Cass Corridor/Midtown or Virginia Park/New Center). I propose neighborhoods be organized more geographically, so that a) neighborhoods near each other geographically would also be near each other in the article, and b) neighborhoods that are located within a larger division would be grouped with that division.

I'm not exactly sure what an appropriate geographic division is, but let me propose using the Lodge, Chrysler, and Fisher freeways as boundaries. That would divide the city into:

1. Downtown and Midtown (maybe split these two)
2. North Woodward Corridor and New Center (between Chrysler and Lodge, which picks up Boston-Edison, Palmer Woods, Sherwood Forest, etc.)
3. East Jefferson Corridor (south of 94, picking up Indian Village, East English Village, Eastern Market, etc)
4. Southwest Detroit (south of 94)
5. West side (the rest, from the Lodge to I94)
6. East side (the rest, from I94 to Chrysler)

That seem like a managable number of geographic divisions, with each containing a managable number of neighborhoods. Comments? Andrew Jameson (talk) 14:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

1. Downtown
2. Midtown
3. North
4. South
5. East
6. West
7. Southwest / Near West

Reorganized. AIA uses similar boundaries (They consider East Jefferson as a sub-part within East). Sorted neighborhoods into their appropriate geographic area. Noticed the same thing you have and agree. This helps to clarify it for readers. Hope you like. Thanks.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 18:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I do like it. Does AIA have recognizable boundary lines between their sub-sections? I mean, for example, is there a specific road that seperates "West" from "North"? I'd like to gin up a map to visually show the seperate areas. Andrew Jameson (talk) 19:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

AIA lists areas. Updated the neighborhood template with interpretations of what is "West" and what is "North" if that helps. There are more clear breaks along Wyoming St.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 17:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Those divisions are wrong, Detroit is listed only as these 5 divisions:

1. Downtown
2. Midtown
3. East
4. West
5. Southwest/ Near west

• Neighborhood Historic Districts
• Neighborhood Commercial/ Historic Districts

Please understand, you cant create a North & South Detroit and mix the east and westside neighborhoods. If you want you could add, Northwest, Northeast, but in the history of the city of Detroit the border lines of North and South have never existed among either side of the city (excluding Southwest Detroit). (talk) 11:21, 29 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.56.129.15 (talk)

AIA Detroit recognizes the designation "North." "South" is mentioned in the Journey song, "Don't stop believin" which would suffice as a reason for inclusion to help answer those who ask where the south side of Detroit is. Agree, "Northwest" and "Northeast" are accepted designations to include. Will add adjustments for these as soon as I get some time. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 20:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

North still isn't recognized as a reliable section because North Detroit is often referred to anything North of 8 Mile which is not in city limits, and the Journey song mentions "South Detroit" as the Downriver area of Southeast Michigan, there are no such, North and South Detroit locations that are within city limits. Mitchellandness1 (talk) 04:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

The expert sources do recognize North as an area in the city limits as well as the other legitmate sections enumerated, East, West, Northwest, and Northeast. One could say the same of Northwest as for North (Metro North and Metro Northwest would be the way to describe the sections outside the city limits). The city sections have morphed a bit over the decades. Near West used to be the West and contains Western High. Now there is West which is upper west and a Northwest which is heading toward Metro Northwest. Besides the Journey song, directionally, down river, though a small section is literally "South." Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 23:56, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

You are not making any sense sir, and you're comments are repetitive, contact the the City of Detroit itself and ask them if there is any such thing so that they can tell you themselves, you obivously have nothing better to do. Mitchellandness1 (talk) 06:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Understand your concern. I realize there are views on this. At first, I did not list Northwest and Northeast out of concern that it had an amibiguous boundary and may apply locally more outside the city limits. The book AIA Detroit does recognize these sections within the city however, and it was co-authored by a Detroit Free Press reporter. Perhaps you can explain why there is a Northwest Detroit neighborhood development corporation to revitalize city neighborhoods? Or why there is a Northwest Detroit farmers market? (Is the farmers market only outside the city?). Or why was there a free newspaper called the Northeast Detroiter containing articles, (which merged with the Harper Woods Herald Feb 10, 1966 issue to become the Northeast Detroiter Harper Woods Herald, then in 1991? named the St. Clair Shores Herald, ceased December 23, 1993, by Northeast Detroit Pub. - Library of Congress). Prior to 1966, the Northest Detroiter was in fact received by residents inside the city limits historically in the area labeled North Detroit on the linked 1915 map [5], if it intended only for Grosse Pointe residents, but circulated within the city, why was it named the "Northeast Detroiter?" It would appear that Midtown was the 'reference point' from which West side meant west of Midtown and East side meant east of Midtown, thus Northwest appeared to refer to Northwest of Midtown, Northeast to Northeast of Midtown, etc. Also, Hamtramck and Highland Park are considered "North," so why wouldn't the adjacent North side neighborhoods within the city limits also be considered North? There is a historic 'New Center'. This linked historic map from 1915 of Hamtramck, Highland Park, and North Detroit clearly shows that "North Detroit" is labeled well within the city limits south of Seven Mile Rd. at E. Davison & Van Dyke near Mt. Olivet Cemetary [6]. Thus, since 1915, at least, there has clearly been a "North Detroit" within city limits. Defending your point of view, the road names are consistently named West and East and not NW and NE, also, Northland shopping center is just across 8 mile outside the city. The historic 1915 source map supports a "North Detroit" side within the city. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 19:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Palmer Park Question

I am searching for Palmer Park, the park, not the neighborhood. The page that directs you to the different "Palmer Park" entries on wikipedia says this is a park in Detroit, but this page looks like it is a neighborhood that possibly includes the park. I think there should be a different page for the park. (I am also searching for information about the Chess Club that used to play in the park in the 1920s) 71.116.129.86 (talk) 07:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)Chris E

Palmer Park is indeed a park, although it sits just north of the Palmer Park Apartment Building Historic District and is occasionally confused with the latter. You're right, there should be an article about Palmer Park the park, but there's not. In the meantime, here are couple resources: 1 and 2 about the history of the park. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

old redford boundaries

you've gotten the boundaries of the community of old redford wrong the boundaries should be as follows:

Western - Telegraph Eastern- Lasher Southern- Grand River or six mile (Mcnichols) Northern- W. Seven Mile

My source is that i live right outside of old redford community. the area im in ( directly east, in the northern section of evergreen and mcnichols) is unanimously refered to as the "winship community" as dictated by signs along outer drive in that area.

actually i'll just link you Old redford completely defined

thats the true area of old redford, although people in the southern triangle and western tip pass the golf course will also refer to themselves as "living in old redford" because the housing styles are exactly the same Iowndisciti (talk) 18:23, 5 March 2012 (UTC)