Talk:List of multi-level marketing companies/Archives/2010

Scentura

Scentura, aka Scentura Creations is a MLM with a legitimate page. It should be added.

71.20.123.200 (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

ViSalus

Most definitely a MLM company. They offer a free BMW (lease) if you sign up enough people to also sell their product. Also involved with allowing distributors to count personal consumption as part of their 70% sales. Search ViSalus scam on google, every site is clearly associated with ViSalus. Beware of this company.

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Ardyss International should be added to the list of MLM companies

Ardyss International is a great network marketing company establshed in Mexico over 20 years ago. It's only been in the United State about 2 years. Ardyss International is one of the fastest growing health & wellness companies in the nation. Their staple product called "Body Magic" shrinks your body 2 to 3 Dress Sizes or Pant Sizes in 10 MINUTES. The “Body Magic” has been featured on both, NBC and ABC News. It has also been feature on Radio across America. I have seen it and experienced it for myself using Ardyss International 2-Step System. I have lost an average of 2 pounds per week with this system. The 2-Step System consists of wearing the Body Magic for women or the Abdomen Men’s Shirt for men along with consuming the LeVive antioxidant drink.

As you can see we not only have the “Body Magic”, we also have other reshaping garments for both men & women. Men are taking ownership in the Ardyss business as well. They are enjoying the benefits of making money and living healthier lives. Our reshaping garments are created by Orthopedic Surgeons & the finest Engineers. These garments correct most body imperfections, speeds up your metabolism, break down fat cells & move fat from undesirable areas of the body to desirable areas. We have a large selection of Nature Based Nutritional Products & Supplements for most ailments; such as arthritis, high blood pressure, menopause, GI problems, etc. Our Wonderful Skin Care Line was created by the makers of MAC Cosmetics & Estee Lauder. Not to mention Ardyss’ Phenomenal COMPENSATION Plan!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovelysh8pes (talk • contribs) 19:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Need to add Qivana

Qivana is a new network marketing opportunity with a dynamic company. Go to www.myqivana.com/proQ for more information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.182.229.104 (talk) 04:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Mary Kay is not an MLM

Mary Kay is not considered multi-level-- it is dual-level. We receive all commissions and prizes directly from the company and not from downlines. We do not have "downlines"... we have teams. We do not make a dime until we help others realize their goals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.249.75 (talk) 07:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC) Everything you described sounds very much like a MLM Mlmscams (talk) 21:47, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Mary Kay is definitely a multi-level marketing company. If you can recruit agents and get paid on more than two levels, then you are a MLM company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Super8290 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

zrii and Maakoa need to be added as MLMs

zrii needs a listing in Wikipedia as an MLM http://www.zrii.com as well as Maakoa http://www.maakoa.com/ Both are very similar to Tahitian Noni and Xango and are based in Utah. Harvcahoon 19:15, 27 February 2010

To be added here - Arbonne International - a 30 yr. old botanically based health and wellness company founded in Switzerland, 1980

http://arbonne.com/

Here is a good source for some legit Network Marketing companies: http://www.nexera.com/top25/

Would be nice to note the similarites/differences of MLM/Network Marketing and direct sales. Don Failla does a good job in Chapter 1 of his book "The 45 - Second Presentation That Will Change Your Life" 2009 edition. Linda B in LA (talk) 02:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Super8290, 14 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

• WealthWorld

Super8290 (talk) 23:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 00:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 122.57.223.21, 4 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Cobra Group is not a Network Marketing or MLM company Nor is Excel Communications any more.

122.57.223.21 (talk) 01:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. • ɔ ʃ → 03:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Wclark68022, 4 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Jeunesse Global http://www.pegclark.jeunesseglobal.com

Wclark68022 (talk) 17:34, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.: Please change the template back to {{editsemiprotected}} after you have made clear your request. Spitfire19 (Talk) 20:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Jeunesse Global is not presently a sufficiently notable company to have a Wikipedia article. I don't think it's appropriate to add to this list. Tim Pierce (talk) 20:13, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 122.57.223.21, 4 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Wikipedia needs to gain a clear understand of what Network Marketing or MLM is.

The most credible yet still not accurate answer is given by the Direct Sales Association.

The actual answer is that there is no such thing as an MLM company.

There are only companies that employ a Network Marketing or MLM Leadership Remuneration Programme. Network Marketing or MLM is a method of developing a 'network' to earn commissions or royalties from that network.

YET they are essentially classified BY THE GOVERNMENTS all over the word by how they gain their customers - Direct Sales or Direct Marketing.

The reality is that 95% of all Direct Sales companies in the USA [and reflected nearly everywhere else] employ a Network Marketing or MLM Leadership Remuneration Programme.

On this basis, all these comments about Melaleuca, Mary Kay, NOT being a Network Marketing company are rubbish.

The statements of companies such as Melaleuca as being 'not a MLM' company' is incorrect marketing fluff. They make this claim because MLM has an unacceptable failure rate and image YET they still employ an MLM leadership plan AND state this to the DSA USA of which they are an active member. Frank sits on the DSA USA Board!

If a company claims to be a 'pure MLM' business, this means that every must join the business side. They are not customer focused and by nearly all definitions and realities, they are a pyramid.

This page should be eliminated and replaced with 'Direct Sales Companies' then add a * for *operates Network Leadership plan. OR separate by networking or not.

122.57.223.21 (talk) 02:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

A few things, this would require reliable sources first and consensus second, and what exactly needs to be done--we can't just delete this page. • ɔ ʃ → 03:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 200.207.126.77, 27 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} "Quest International" link is wrong, the company may have the same name, but no relationship to MLM

200.207.126.77 (talk) 17:33, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done for now: Would you like the link removed altogether? Please be more specific. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 173.62.229.21, 8 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Melaleuca is not an MLM.

An excerpt from Wiki's verifiable Melualeuca, Inc.: "Melaleuca has been outspoken against the abuses inherent to the multi-level marketing model and the damage they say it can cause. By contrast, Melaleuca does not allow inventory loading (a practice used by many multi-level marketing companies encouraging them to purchase sometimes thousands of dollars worth of inventory), limits the marketing chain to 7 generations, and prohibits "breakaways" (another practice commonly found in multi-level marketing). Melaleuca also does not require its marketing executives to maintain an inventory. In order to earn commissions from one's customers, marketing executives must produce a minimal number of 35 product points per month (the equivalent of about $45–55 each month) to remain an active Independent Marketing Executive. This in turn qualifies the Preferred customer to receive a 30%-40% discount off the regular purchase price of their personal product purchases. The company also offers their preferred members an opportunity to earn up to 10% of their monthly product order back in "Loyalty Shopping" dollars. After earning $100 in Loyalty Shopping dollars their first five consecutive months, new preferred members are allowed to redeem their earned Loyalty Shopping dollars towards products."

173.62.229.21 (talk) 04:11, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source. Please cite a third-party, reliable source. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 219.64.154.226, 8 August 2010

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• Tupperware

219.64.154.226 (talk) 06:36, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Stickee (talk) 06:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.105.215.62, 8 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} need to add Nikken, http://www.nikken.com/opportunity/

71.105.215.62 (talk) 08:41, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome. Each entry on the list needs to have a reliably sourced Wikipedia article in order to establish notability. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 01:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.231.195.145, 19 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Hello. I would like to request a change to this article. I would like to add "Angels4children" to the list of MLM companies currently listed on this page. Angels4children.com is a very reliable MLM company that was first published in 2003. They are one of only a few MLM companies to be privately owned and operated - and the first MLM company to work in a partnership with accredited non-profit children advocacy programs to promote the health and safety of poverty-sticken children around the world. Infomation regarding Angels4chilren.com may be obtained from their website, www.Angels4Children.com or through pubic information available on MLM-source websites. A listing of these sites may be provided by contacting our public relations manager, Kathy Jacobs, (Kathy@Angels4children.com).

If you need further assistance or have any futher questions I may answer, please feel free to contact me personally at: Aimee@Angels4Children.com.

Sincerely,

Aimee Edwards

Owner, Angels4Children.com

71.231.195.145 (talk) 03:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome Aimee. As you can read above, each entry requires a reliably sourced article to establish notability. If you decide to write one, you should read our policy on conflict of interest and act accordingly. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 04:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Alexgeorgeka, 23 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I came across the List of Multi Level Marketing Companies, where one of the companies known as DXN INTERNATIONAL (MALAYSIA) which have branches more than 150 all over the world, have been omiited. Please update the same in the list.

ALEX

Alexgeorgeka (talk) 10:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome. Each company in the list needs to be notable. The criteria currently used is to establish notability is having a reliably sourced Wikipedia article. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 13:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

FM Group

World wide MLM in perfumes and cosmetics see more at: http://www.fmworld.com/ http://cosmetics.fm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bapkul (talk • contribs) 05:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

(copyvio from their website) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.150.251.98 (talk) 17:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: No independent evidence of notability sufficient for an article on this group (see WP:CORP). DMacks (talk) 17:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC) Need to add 5Linx http://www.5linx.com Need to add AmbitEnergy http://www.ambitenergy.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ron.demena (talk • contribs) 20:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The Utility Warehouse (UK)

This is a multi level marketing company in the UK 86.151.47.96 (talk) 14:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The Utility Warehouse [or Telecom plus] was FTSE company of the year and one of Europe's leading Direct Sales companies. It has an Network Marketing plan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.223.21 (talk) 02:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 212.50.232.253, 17 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} http://www.gammanetint.net

Gamma Network International Ltd (GNI)

HEADQUARTER 1-2 UNIVERSAL HOUSE 88-94 WENTWORTH STREET LONDON E1 7SA UK

OFFICE OF OPERATION 1 NORTHUMBERLAND AVENUE TRAFALGAR SQUARE LONDON WC2N 5BW UK Tel: +44 207 392 7945 Fax: +44 207 392 4083 Established in London in March 1979, Gamma Company initiated its active involvement in the market by a trading department which soon turns to be among the 5th most successful privately hold trading companies of GB in terms of export. Following remarkable initial years that is 1982, Gamma focuses on 3 major fields of activity; Trading, Services and Construction. In trading, Gamma travels beyond import /export and gets involved in cooperative production as well. To name a few; Shell Germany producer of oil products in 1985,L'Oreal France manufacturer of hygienic materials and cosmetics in 2000, Whirlpool U.S. manufacturer of home appliances in 1983 and Bayern Germany producer of drugs and chemicals in 1992. Gamma products and services reach approximately 70 nations across the globe as yet expansion plans lies ahead. Upon the establishment of training-entreating travel corporation, Gamma Company enters the travel service sector reaching 243 representatives across the globe. Ever-growing demands and growth of travel industry made Gamma to consider immigration as well as other options. With thanks to the high reputation and highly motivated representatives, Gamma enjoys its credit among the most prestigious companies in the industry today. Service sector goes beyond traveling and includes maintenance contracts of stadiums and entertaining arenas won due governmental and local tenders. One of the newest yet fastest of Gamma Company's Return Of Investment is construction. Gamma Company could take huge consistent steps towards its overall goals by signing international contracts in drilling and discovery of mine lands and oil fields. Gamma Company involves several gas and oil discovery projects in different regions of the world that is, Persian gulf, newly independent states in Caspian Sea region and Canada mainly. Many construction projects in China mainland, mining projects in India, Australia, and Republic of Congo are in Gamma Company history. Newest of all in Gamma Company is Network Marketing of products and services on demands which officially established in 2005. Due to exponential growth of Gamma Network International, Gamma Company intends to enter broader sales across the globe taking advantage of newest technologies and opportunities. Gamma Company hopes yet assures to accomplish the highest objectives in the industry along with its Merchants. Expect us for more news...

212.50.232.253 (talk) 13:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

 Not done Copyviolation. SpigotMap 13:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 116.15.76.17, 19 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Unicity International to be added to the list

116.15.76.17 (talk) 16:48, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

There is currently no page covering the topic "Unicity International", which makes including it in this list inappropriate. This is not to be taken as an encouragement to create this article, however; all companies with articles must be notable. Only if you can provide reliable, third-party sources to meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy can this article be created. I would advise you to use Articles for creation to submit this article, if you believe it meets Wikipedia's notability and verifiability requirements. Intelligentsium 22:47, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Melaleuca should not be here!

Melaleuca should not be listed as an MLM. It is consumer direct marketing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.24.26.123 (talk) 19:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

This company BELONGS here ~ and should be proud of it! Due to their compensation plan for their representatives... it is a MLM, just different then the rest of them. See Multi-Level Marketing here at Wikipedia. "Consumer direct marketing" is how they move their product. I love this company and their products. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.45.192.44 (talk) 03:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

A socking surprise

Dear I am socked to notice that world's biggest MLM the RCM Buisiness of India which have approx 7 millilon active customers(purchasing for more than Rs 1000 every month)Around 600 products from various field eg. edible,electronics,auto mobile ,electrical ,farming ,farming, durables etc.etc.don't have any place in the list of MLM(Multi Level Marketing). Pls coomment with substancial support of facts and datas.59.177.73.146 (talk) 14:13, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Hindustan Unilever Network

Hindustan Unilever Network is a direct selling division of Hindustan Unilever. Hindustan Unilever has been in business since 1933.

for reference see: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Hindustan_Unilever http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Unilever http://www.huln.co.in/

Please add this company to your MLM company list, its bigger Sahara Care House. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imgoel (talk • contribs) 00:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Removed some companies

I've removed the following companies, as there seems to be no reliable source indicating that they are, in fact, multi-level marketing companies:

• Alticor (it's a holding company, and holds MLMs, but is not itself an MLM)
• Cobra Group
• Deutsche Vermögensberatung
• Discovery Toys
• ENG (in this case, there's no reliable source indicating there's a company by that name)
• Quest International
• Scentura
• Southwestern Company
• Sunrider International
• Tahitian Noni International (there's no citation that it's MLM, though I suspect that it is.)

Argyriou (talk) 02:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Concur - as MLM has become as mostly pejorative business term for the business model, I would think all entries here need to be explicitly sourced. Especially if the term is not mentioned in the linked article. Looking at a few of the corporate sites, they always seem to dance around it ("build your own team", etc). I'd rather there be a direct mention of the term in a third party reliable source, though, which will be difficult for a few of the minor players here. Kuru (talk) 15:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

When I checked the articles, if the company website had mention of commissions from recruited salespeople, or even used the word "downline", I assumed that was sufficient verification that the company is an MLM. The companies I removed didn't have even that much, though I didn't try too hard to dig through the company websites. Argyriou (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Si. All of those mean MLM to me, but let me keep digging up cites and see if it becomes a problem with any of them. Kuru (talk) 18:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe we need references in this list, so long as the linked article states that the company is an MLM (even if it takes a couple of sentences to say it clearly). If the linked article does not say that the company is (or was) an MLM, then the company shouldn't be on this list. In particular, I think Discovery Toys and Watkins Incorporated should come off the list, as I was unable to find any indication that they are MLMs, as opposed to direct sales outfits. Argyriou (talk) 19:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

A couple of those can be added back in (Sunrider and Tahitian Noni) - here is a reliable source that at least covers the 100 MLM companies with the highest revenue. DSN Global 100 Leef5 (talk) 17:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Direct selling != MLM, but that reference does include data on whether the company is an MLM or not. So, for example, #12 on that list, Pola Inc., is not an MLM, and shouldn't be included in this list. However, that is a very useful reference, and we should check through it for companies not on this list. I would think we should still not add redlinks to this list, though if a company is on the list, it's probably worth creating an article about, if verifiable information can be found about it. Argyriou (talk) 06:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct that not all direct sales companies use either a multi-level or network marketing method (although the great majority do now according to the DSA.) I'll also see if I can dig up any other direct sales industry sources that may give us more data as well. Leef5 (talk) 14:53, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Here is another reliable industry source: MLM Insider company directory. This will list companies not in the top 100 of the prior DSN list. I've found this database to be not 100% inclusive of all direct sales/MLM/network marketing, but its fairly good. Leef5 (talk) 15:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)