Talk:List of invasive species in the Everglades

Alternative format

Suggest an alternative format that doesn't waste so much whitespace and allows for a more comfortable line wide for the text of the notes. This format loses the "Notes and references" title (self explanatory) and the ability to sort (questionable utility here anyway). Thoughts. Colin°^Talk 17:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Scientific name	Common name(s)	Origin / Year(s) introduced	Purpose of introduction
Melaleuca quinquenervia	Melaleuca, paper-bark, cajeput, punk tree, white bottlebrush tree	Australia, New Guinea, the Solomon Islands / 1906	Landscaping, drainage
	Melaleuca tree seeds were scattered by aircraft in order to drain flooded portions of the Everglades. They were considered excellent landscaping trees as late as 1970 and planted along canals to stabilize soil or act as windbreaks. They grow significantly taller than where they originate, very densely—not allowing wading birds with large wingspans to fly between—and very rapidly. They are very tolerant of fire and flooded conditions. One tree is capable of producing 20 million seeds year-round. Authorities are attempting to limit the spread of Melaleuca by quarantining stands of trees, felling established ones, applying herbicide, and releasing Boreioglycaspis melaleucae, a fly that can kill seedlings.1
Lygodium microphyllum	Old World climbing fern	Tropical Asia, Africa, and Australia / Observed already established in 1958	Unknown purpose
	The Old World climbing fern has taken over tree islands in the Loxahatchee National Wildlife Refuge in the northern Everglades, completely blanketing some of them, and crowding smaller vegetation by shading native seedlings and overwhelming trees. There is also evidence that it fatally traps medium- and large-sized animals such as deer and turtles. While fire may burn some of the Old World climbing fern, portions of burning fern may break loose and spread fires more quickly. "Fire ladders" are created when ferns grow into the forest canopy, above the line that cypress and other trees naturally tolerate fire damage. The thick rachis fern mats may also trap animals attempting to flee fires. There is no definitive plan to rid ecologically sensitive areas in South Florida of this exotic plant, although herbicides and controlled fires are being explored.2

That's an interesting format. Do you think the 3-column details would get lost in that? Or is this a question of which details' clarity should be sacrificed: the notes/references or 3-columns? --Moni3 (talk) 19:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean, that somone would forget what the three column headings were as they read down? None of the tables are very long. The headings could be repeated every X entries if thought helpful (I repeated a blank, thin column heading as an entry-separator). I guess you could try it and ask those who've looked at the article already for their opinion on whether it is an improvement. Not everyone has a wide screen (esp. netbooks and mobiles) so it is important to consider how the list looks to them as well as those with 24" widescreen monitors. Colin°^Talk 08:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I was more concerned with how much the text melds into different sections. This format does not seem to allow the three columns to pop out as clearly. I changed it anyway. I'm fairly incompetent at tables, so I appreciate the help. I do like how this format centers the scientific name over the image and does not waste space. --Moni3 (talk) 15:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Nesting mynas

I removed that sentence regarding Common Mynas nesting in wilderness areas, as in Florida they nest absolutely exclusively in man-made cavities in signs, which has been of some bemused note in the Florida birding community. And I've never heard of them attacking Purple Martins before, either. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 01:04, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

You're opposing a reliable source based on your experience? How does that qualify as anything other than original research? You must provide a source to counter what has already been presented. --Moni3 (talk) 15:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm opposing a reliable source based on another reliable source, specifically the article by Bill Pranty in North American Birds on the establiushment of Common Mynas in South Florida. I'll see if I can dig the copy out of storage. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 16:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 16:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem! :) Might be a bit before I can get to it though, my stuff is a mess. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 16:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

• See also: [1] Same sponsoring organization, different authors.
• another observational account of mynas evicting purple martins, but the author states it's rare,
• the above source probably used this one as the observational account.
• See also
• Very brief description --Moni3 (talk) 19:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Atypical cold weather and invasive species

Not sure how to use this yet, but in case it becomes an issue, I'm placing the source(s) here. --Moni3 (talk) 14:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

• Twilight of the Iguana? Sun-Sentinel

26 percent?

of the species or of the animals? Source? How estimated?TCO (talk) 22:54, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

It's cited. Here, page 1. --Moni3 (talk) 22:56, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I saw the topic sentence at the start of that long document and then started to read further, but a few paragraphs in, was still not seeing the real explanation for the claim (I guess other than the references in the topic sentence of the ref itself) and then on then to other stuff. I wasn't asking like some wike-rule weenie or whatever. I'm like the ANTITHESIS of the drive-by tagger. I hate em worse than you do! I was asking more as a curious logical thinker. It just seems like a huge claim. wonder what the basis of it is. Like is it number of animals or number of species? And what are the species that most "fill the numbers" if it is numbers. TCO (talk) 23:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Is there something that the article itself does not explain? --Moni3 (talk) 00:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, is it number of animals or number of species? And I think going a little deeper in the thought would be helpful. It's a COOL factoid. But what makes it up. For instance if it is number of animals, what animal (or animals) really drive the equation. I bet there are some animals that are really numerous and others that are not. For instance is it just "feral cats" driving that spectacular claim? Etc. etc. Just some further detail would be cool. Again, don't worry...I' not some tagger weenie. I'm more to the content side than that! (you should see the feedback I'm preparing on Everglades, right now...dundunDUN!)  :) TCO (talk) 00:35, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, well. Great. Looking forward to the feedback, I think.

The percentage refers to species. This list described the vast growth of the South Florida metropolitan area over the past 50 - 70 years, and how the urban area became a transportation and shipping hub. The USDA and UF IFAS labs in the region experimented with plants that escaped. Much of the exotic plant life arrived as ornamental landscaping, exotic animal species were imported for trade, and it went mostly unnoticed until the 1980s when all the exotic plants and animals seemed to kind of explode, coinciding with a general decreasing of life quality in Miami and the area. This is explained in the prose before the plants and animals lists. --Moni3 (talk) 01:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I love the topic, that's the only reason I push on the thought content. I'm not a wiki-tagger, reverter, any of that. Do like wrestling with ideas though. And lub me some animules. I would just mention "species" then. Having 26% of the species invasive is (probably) not as "bad" as having 26% of the animals be invasive. Even one escapee equals one species.

Future source

• Birds Consumed by the Invasive Burmese Python (Python molurus bivittatus) in Everglades National Park, Florida, USA Carla J. Dove, Ray W. Snow, Michael R. Rochford and Frank J. Mazzotti The Wilson Journal of Ornithology Mar 2011 : Vol. 123, Issue 1, pg(s) 126-131 doi: 10.1676/10-092.1

• Seen in Attack of the Giant Pythons By Arcynta Ali Childs Smithsonian magazine, April 2011 --Moni3 (talk) 21:31, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

• Pythons apparently wiping out Everglades mammals January 30, 2012. Need a long-term study to use the same certain terms the news story uses.

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Small lead image

Is there a larger version of the lead image (File:Lygodium microphyllum in Loxahatchee.jpg) or another lead image we could use here? It's really tiny, and gets a bit blurry even at thumb scale. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)