Talk:List of female racing drivers

Latest comment: 1 year ago by 88.97.0.110 in topic Flick Haig

June 2017‎

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@Holdenman05:@Northamerica1000:@Khajidha: I'm pinging you guys because you seem to have done the most work on this list, and I wanted your input. My impression is that this list is not especially informative as it stands now. In order to make it more useful and attractive for the user I suggest organizing by form of racing (e.g. drag racing, rally racing, open wheel, stock car, sports car, motorcycle, etc.). Here is an example of what I would propose switching to with all the A countries. Let me know if you have input.

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Open Wheel

Driver B. D. Series and notable races
Chelsea Angelo     1982 Australian Formula Ford, Australian Formula 3[w]
Julia Ballario     1992 Fórmula Renault Plus, Pro Mazda Championship
Lucila Diaz     1996 Fórmula Renault Plus
Agustina Mattio     1996 Fórmula Metropolitana, Fórmula Renault Plus
Veronica McCann     1983 Indy Lights
Violeta Pernice     1992 Fórmula Metropolitana, Fórmula Renault Plus
Leanne Tander     1980 Australian Formula Ford,[C] Australian Formula 3,[W] Toyota Racing Series
Bronwyn Taylor   Australian Formula 1
Ianina Zanazzi     1982 Fórmula Renault Argentina, Formula Renault Italy, Fórmula 3 Light,[W] Formula 3 Sudamericana, Spanish Formula 3


Production Car

Driver B. D. Series and notable races
Paula Elstrek     1968 Australian GT Production Car Championship
Leanne Tander     1980 Australian Improved Production Car Nationals,[W] APCC[W]
Melinda Price     1970 Australian GT Production Car Championship
Jenni Thompson     1957 Australian GT Production Car Championship


Rally Car

Driver B. D. Series and notable races
Desara Muriqi     1985 FIA Alternative Energies Cup
Alicia Reina     1973 Dakar Rally, Rally Argentina
Molly Taylor     1988 Australian Rally Championship,[C] BRC, WRC


Sports Car

Driver B. D. Series and notable races
Julieta Fernández     GT 2000
Renee Gracie     1995 Porsche Carrera Cup
Joan Richmond   1905 1999 24 Hours of Le Mans
Sue Ransom     FIA WEC
Josefina Vigo     1994 GT 2000
Amàlia Vinyes     1982 International GT Open


Sprint Car

Driver B. D. Series and notable races
Veronica McCann     1983 World Series Sprintcars


Touring Car

Driver B. D. Series and notable races
Chelsea Angelo     1982 Super2 Series
Julia Ballario     1992 TC Pista Mouras, TC 2000 Championship, Top Race NOA, Top Race Series,[W] Top Race V6
Kerryn Brewer     1973 ATCC, Bathurst 1000, Sandown 500, Supercars Championship
Carolina Eiras     1969 Fiat Linea Competizione
Paula Elstrek     1968 Bathurst 1000
Julieta Fernández     MINI Challenge Argentina, Top Race Series
Christine Gibson     Australian Endurance Championship, AMSCAR, ATCC, Bathurst 1000
Renee Gracie     1995 Aussie Racing Cars, Bathurst 1000, Super2 Series
Heidi O'Neill     1975 Bathurst 1000
Violeta Pernice     1992 Sonic Racing Cup, Top Race Junior, Top Race NOA, Top Race Series, Top Race V6, TN
Charlotte Poynting     Aussie Racing Cars[W]
Nicole Pretty     1970 Bathurst 1000
Melinda Price     1970 ASTC, ASTC, ATCC, Bathurst 12 Hour, Bathurst 24 Hour, Bathurst 1000, Supercars Championship
Sue Ransom     ATCC, Bathurst 1000
Gisela Segade Sánchez     1988 Top Race Series, TC Pista Mouras, Turismo Pista
Alexandra Surplice   AMSCAR, Australian Endurance Championship, ATCC, Bathurst 1000
Leanne Tander     1980 Australian Mini Challenge, Bathurst 12 Hour, Bathurst 1000, Supercars Championship
Bronwyn Taylor   ATCC
Gloria Taylor   ATCC
Molly Taylor     1988 Bathurst 12 Hour
Jenni Thompson     1957 Australian Super Touring Championship, Bathurst 1000
Josefina Vigo     1994 Top Race Series
Sandra Villarruel     1964 MINI Challenge Argentina
Amàlia Vinyes     1982 SEAT León Eurocup, SEAT León Supercopa Spain. TCR Iberico Series
Annette Williams   ATCC
Ianina Zanazzi     1982 TC Pista, TN

— Preceding unsigned comment added by PotvinSux (talkcontribs) 18:27, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Notes

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  • W Race Winner (Overall)
  • w Race Winner (Class win)
  • C Series Champion (Overall)
  • c Series Champion (Class champion)

Use of flags

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User:Dennis Bratland makes the point that flags are inappropriate per MOS:FLAG because athletes do not represent their place of origin. A counterpoint would be that start lists, in North American motorsports at least, virtually always include hometown, and racers tend to be known by and identified with where they are based. PotvinSux (talk) 18:49, 27 February 2018 (UTC) This is perhaps less relevant in Europe as a similar function is served by nation.PotvinSux (talk) 18:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

You could add their hometown, state or province to the list, in prose without a flag icon, if you really feel it's necessary. The information itself isn't a problem. It's the use of flags, which tends to be divisive and controversial, and the iconography tends to overpower other information. MOS:SOVEREIGNFLAG and Do not use subnational flags without direct relevance. If you don't want to do the work of a search-and-replace to put the information back, without the icons, I could do it. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:58, 27 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Dennis Bratland: The idea that flags should be viewed as controversial and distracting as opposed to mildly helpful at best and neutral at worst strikes me as beyond ludicrous, but your reading of the MOS is clearly reasonable. I do think there's a case to be made that place of origin is considerably more relevant in racing than in other sports because of the element of a physical shop at the lower levels, the way careers evolve, and so forth. A parallel might be a sport like figure skating, which is club based. That's good enough for me personally as far as relevance goes, but the bar MOS sets does seem quite high. It's certainly not worth the controversy. The removing of the flags themselves is not the hard part; I just need to think a bit about how else to incorporate this information without the list becoming a nightmare of text. Any thoughts on that score? The issue I keep running into with this list, which I've just come back to after a while, is that none of the parameters seem great. Multiple people participate in multiple series and multiple types of racing, etc.PotvinSux (talk) 19:27, 27 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
On a list that doesn't even tell is if they drive race cars or power boats, pilot airplanes, or ride motorcycles, it seems of little consequence to worry about whether a UK driver is from England or Scotland. We know a US driver is from Texas and not Michigan, but we have no idea if they drove in NASCAR or INDYCAR?

With motorsport, it's almost always manufacturer based, or a privateer company. Car or motorcycle manufactures hire whomever they can. Privateer companies do to. Italians ride for Japanese companies, Americans for UK, it doesn't matter. The Olympics and the World Cup assign one team per country, and even if a competitor was born in another country, they go to the Olympics representing the country they play for. In MotoGP or Formula 1 or NASCAR, none of the teams represent any country.

It doesn't do any harm if you want to say which province/state/city-state or whatever they were in, but it is low priority information. If anything, I'd reorganize the list by type (car, motorcycle, boat, plane), and then by class (NASCAR, MotoGP), and place Country, State, and City of birth after the birth date. Regardless, no non-sovereign flags. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:21, 27 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Joining this discussion a bit late, but I don't really see any point to the flag icons/crests at all. There's no way to justify the non-free use of any such images in this article, but even the PD/freely licensed ones do not seem to have any real encyclopedic value. If listing the hometown/home province of the individuals is necessary, then these can be linked and the flag imagery can be seen there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)Reply
The flags ought to be removed. They only confuse readers; the recognition rate of   and almost all others is indistinguishable from zero. (Don't tell me about mouse hovering that reveals the province/state; that doesn't work on mobile devices.) The MoS has a reason for its guidance. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:28, 30 August 2018 (UTC)Reply
Agree that these subnational flags are inappropriate here. Even though I feel that the MOS guidance's is a bit outdated. Technology has evolved since it was created and these days these flags are generated through templates that allow even the blind people find out their meaning. Nevertheless, if you take Maria de Villota for instance, I have never seen here enter any race under any other flag as the Spanish one. I disagree however with the notion that teams and drivers don't represent nations. All teams/constructors competing in FIA and FIM sanctioned events have to be entered by a national motorsports governing body. And they are judged to represent the country that enters them. Likewise drivers need a license displaying a nationality they are judged to represent. In F1 there are currently a couple of drivers who have dual nationalities (Grosjean, Verstappen, Stroll) and were requested by the FIA to decide which of their nationalities they literally want to represent. Lastly, both the winning driver and team have their national anthems played on the podium for them after each race, likewise to the Olympics. Also there are a number sports at the olympics (eg. tennis, badminton, table tennis,...) were during some events more than one team per country is allowed to enter.Tvx1 14:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)Reply
And to how many of the drivers listed overleaf do these circumstances (FIA, FIM, F1) apply? If you want to change the MoS, WT:Manual of Style/Icons is the place; here, it just needs to be observed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:06, 30 August 2018 (UTC)Reply
I'm not as familair with the racing world as perhaps others are, but this list article is divided up by country/nationality. This in my opinion makes even national flag icons redundant and distracting. Icons cannot/shouldn't be used in the section headings per MOS:HEAD or MOS:ACCIM, which means the only real place for them is for each individual entry; however, if every subsection represents a specific country/nationality, then every entry in the subsection is going to be assumed to also represent that same country/nationality, right? If there are dual nationality racers or their country of birth is different from the country they represent when they race, then this can be explained in a free words in a paranthetical after the name or the reader can find more details in the racer's stand-alone article. The same goes for any subnational information relevant to the entry. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:11, 30 August 2018 (UTC)Reply
The flags were removed once before here by Dennis Bratland only to be subsequently be re-added here by PotvinSux. Based upon this discussion, it does appear that a consensus has been established not to use them; so unless anyone (@Michael Bednarek, Tvx1, and Marauder09:) wants to still object, I think they should be removed. An edit sum can be left linking to this discussion for reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)Reply
I agree that they ought to be removed. Dennis Bratland's edit summary presented the argument clearly, where PotvinSux doesn't provide any. Further, all interwiki links, currently in the form [[:es:María Abbate|María Abbate]] should be rewritten as {{ill|María Abbate|es}} which produces María Abbate [es]. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:57, 11 September 2018 (UTC)Reply
This is all well reasoned, and I concur. Thank you for making the relevant changes!PotvinSux (talk) 19:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

CSV list almost done

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I'm converting this list into a CSV table so that you can work with all of it as structured data in Excel or Tableau or whatever application you like, then export it into a formatted table or list using any hierarchy or order of columns you wish. I'll post the result here in a bit. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:24, 27 February 2018 (UTC) Reply

csv version of table

Country,Hometown/state/province,Name,Nee,Birth year,Birth month,Birth day,Death year,Death month,Death day,Death age,Genre,Series,Genre2,Series2 Albania,Shkodër County,Desara Muriqi,,1985,5,27,,,,,Alt engergy rally,FIA Electric and New Energies Championship,, Argentina,Buenos Aires,:es:Sandra Villarruel,,1964,2,19,,,,,Turismo Carretera,Top Race Series,, Argentina,Buenos Aires,Ianina Zanazzi,,1982,1,7,,,,,Formula 3,Euroformula Open Championship,, Argentina,Buenos Aires Province,es:Josefina Vig,,1994,6,24,,,,,Turismo Carretera,Top Race Series,, Argentina,Córdoba,es:Julia Ballario,,1992,1,20,,,,,Touring car racing,TC 2000 Championship,, Argentina,Río Negro Province,es:Alicia Reina,,1973,10,15,,,,,Rally raid,Dakar Rally,, Argentina,Santa Fe,es:Violeta Pernice,,1992,6,6,,,,,Top Race V6,Top Race Series,, Australia,New South Wales,Jess Gardiner,,1993,,,,,,,Enduro motorcycle,International Six Days Enduro,, Australia,New South Wales,Leanne Tander,,1980,6,5,,,,,Touring car racing,Touring Car Masters,Touring car racing,Australian Drivers' Championship Australia,New South Wales,Molly Taylor,,1988,5,6,,,,,Rally car,British Rally Championship,Rally car,Australian Rally Championship Australia,New South Wales,Veronica McCann,,1983,8,24,,,,,Open wheel racing,Indy Lights,, Australia,Queensland,Emily Duggan,,1989,12,28,,,,,Touring car racing,V8 Touring Car National Series,, Australia,Queensland,Renee Gracie,,1995,1,5,,,,,Touring car racing,Supercars Championship,, Australia,,Midge Whiteman,,,,,,,,,Touring car racing,Bathurst 1000,, Belgium,Brussels,Vanina Ickx,,1975,2,16,,,,,Sports car racing,24 Hours of Le Mans,, Brazil,Rio de Janeiro,Suzane Carvalho,,1963,12,26,,,,,Formula 3,Formula 3 Sudamericana,, Brazil,São Paulo,pt:Michelle de Jesus,,,,,,,,,Tractor unit racing,Fórmula Truck,, Brazil,São Paulo,Ana Beatriz,,1985,3,18,,,,,American open-wheel car racing,IndyCar Series,, Canada,Manitoba,Amber Balcaen,,1992,3,7,,,,,Short track motor racing,Whelen All-American Series,, Canada,Ontario,Ashley Taws,,1983,11,1,,,,,Stock car racing,NASCAR Pinty's Series,, Canada,Ontario,Dominique Van Wieringen,,1995,6,22,,,,,Stock car racing,NASCAR K&N Pro Series East,, Canada,Ontario,Teri MacDonald,,1963,11,8,,,,,Pickup truck racing,NASCAR Camping World Truck Series,Stock car racing,NASCAR Pinty's Series Canada,Quebec,Maryeve Dufault,,1982,2,16,,,,,Stock car racing,ARCA Racing Series,Stock car racing,NASCAR Xfinity Series Canada,Quebec,Stacey Nesbitt,,1997,3,10,,,,,Motorcycle road racing,Asia Dream Cup,Motorcycle road racing,European Junior Cup Colombia,Bogotá,Tatiana Calderón,,1993,3,10,,,,,Formula Three,FIA Formula 3 European Championship,GP3 Series,2016 GP3 Series Czechia,Moravia,Eli_ka Junková,,1900,12,16,1994,1,5,93,Grand Prix motor racing,,, Denmark,Capital Region of Denmark,Christina Nielsen,,1992,1,10,,,,,Sports car racing,WeatherTech SportsCar Championship,Sports car racing,Pirelli World Challenge Estonia,Harjumaa,Anastassia Kovalenko,,1991,9,21,,,,,Motorcycle road racing,FIM Women's European Cup,Motorcycle road racing,FIM B600 cup Finland,Southwest Finland,Taru Rinne,,1968,8,27,,,,,Grand Prix motorcycle racing,125cc MotoGP,, France,Alsace,Cathy Muller,,1962,11,21,,,,,Indy car,Indy Lights,Formula Three,Italian Formula Three Championship France,Centre,Hellé Nice,,1900,12,15,1984,10,1,83,Grand Prix motor racing,,, France,Île-de-France,Livia Lancelot,,1988,2,11,,,,,Motocross,Motocross World Championship,, France,Île-de-France,Lucile Cypriano,,1996,9,2,,,,,Touring car racing,SEAT León Eurocup,Touring car racing,TCR International Series France,Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur,Michèle Mouton,,1951,6,23,,,,,Rally car,World Rally Championship,, France,Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur,Ornella Ongaro,,1990,10,16,,,,,Motorcycle road racing,MotoGP,, France,,Odette Siko,,,,,,,,,Endurance racing,1932 24 Hours of Le Mans,Rally car, Germany,Bavaria,Inge Stoll,,1930,2,11,1958,8,24,28,Sidecar racing,Sidecar TT,Sidecar racing,Czechoslovakian Grand Prix Germany,Bavaria,Katja Poensgen,,1976,9,23,,,,,Motorcycle road racing,250cc World Championship,Motorcycle road racing,Supersport World Championship Germany,Bavaria,Sophia Flörsch,,2000,12,1,,,,,Formula 4,ADAC Formula 4,One-make sports car racing,Ginetta Junior Championship Germany,Hesse,Iris Kramer,,1981,6,22,,,,,Motorcycle trials,FIM Trial European Championship,, Germany,North Rhine-Westphalia,Claudia Hürtgen,,1971,9,10,,,,,Touring car racing,Deutscher Tourenwagen Cup,, Germany,North Rhine-Westphalia,Ellen Lohr,,1965,4,12,,,,,Touring car racing,Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft,, Germany,North Rhine-Westphalia,Gina-Maria Adenauer,,1985,8,16,,,,,,,, Germany,North Rhine-Westphalia,Jutta Kleinschmidt,,1962,8,29,,,,,,,, Germany,Rhineland-Palatinate,Sabine Schmitz,,1969,5,14,,,,,,,, Germany,Rhineland-Palatinate,Theresa Bauml,,1997,10,27,,,,,,,, Germany,Saxony,Helga Steudel,,1939,5,4,,,,,,,, Hong Kong,,Denise Yeung,,,,,,,, Hungary,Budapest,Adrienn Bende,,1985,6,25,,,, Hungary,Budapest,Nikolett Kovács,,1982,8,30,,,, Hungary,Hajdú-Bihar County,Vivien Keszthelyi,,2000,12,7,,,, India,Tamil Nadu,Alisha Abdullah,,1989,7,24,,,, India,Tamil Nadu,Chithra Priya,,1984,3,30,,,, Iran,,Laleh Seddigh,,1977,,,,,, Iran,,Noora Naraghi,,1988,5,30,,,, Ireland,County Offaly,Fay Taylour,,1904,4,5,1983,8,2,79 Italy,Campania,Maria Teresa de Filippis,,1926,11,11,2016,1,8,89 Italy,Emilia-Romagna,Alessandra Neri,,1988,4,10,,,, Italy,Lazio,Giovanna Amati,,1959,7,20,,,, Italy,Lazio,Michela Cerruti,,1987,2,18,,,, Italy,Lombardy,Stefy Bau,,1977,2,17,,,, Italy,Piedmont,Lella Lombardi,,1941,3,26,1992,3,3,50 Japan,Kanagawa,Shizuka Okazaki,,1992,6,12,,,, Japan,Tokyo,Keiko Ihara,,1973,7,4,,,, Japan,Tokyo,Tomoko Igata,,1965,10,30,,,, Latvia,Riga,Karl_ne _t_la,,1986,3,5,,,, Mexico,Hidalgo,Mara Reyes,,1977,3,12,,,, Netherlands,Flevoland,Beitske Visser,,1995,3,10,,,, New Zealand,Auckland Region,Avalon Biddle,,1992,9,21,,,, Philippines,,Michele Bumgarner,,1989,9,2,,,, Poland,West Pomeranian Voivodeship,Natalia Kowalska,,1989,12,31,,,, South Africa,Gauteng,Desiré Wilson,,1953,11,26,,,, Spain,Castile-La Mancha,María Herrera,,1996,8,26,,,, Spain,Catalonia,Laia Sanz,,1985,12,11,,,, Spain,Madrid,Lilí Álvarez,,1905,5,9,1998,7,8,93 Spain,Madrid,María de Villota,,1980,1,13,2013,10,11,33 Spain,Murcia,Ana Carrasco,,1997,3,10,,,, Spain,Valencia,Carmen Jordá,,1988,5,28,,,, Spain,Valencia,Elena Rosell,,1986,4,30,,,, Spain,Valencia,Marta García (racing driver,,2000,8,9,,,, Sweden,Skåne County,Magda Andersson,,1998,7,14,,,, Sweden,Stockholm County,Annie Seel,,1968,9,5,,,, Sweden,Stockholm County,Nettan Lindgren-Jansson,,1957,3,13,,,, Sweden,Värmland County,Ramona Karlsson,,1981,1,8,,,, Switzerland,Canton of Bern,Cyndie Allemann,,1986,4,4,,,, Switzerland,Canton of Bern,Rahel Frey,,1986,2,23,,,, Switzerland,Canton of Bern,Simona de Silvestro,,1988,9,1,,,, Switzerland,Canton of Ticino,Lilian Bryner,,1959,4,21,,,, Switzerland,Canton of Vaud,Natacha Gachnang,,1987,10,27,,,, United Kingdom,England,Abbie Eaton,,1992,1,2,,,, United Kingdom,England,Alice Powell,,1993,1,26,,,, United Kingdom,England,Amanda Stretton,,1973,7,24,,,, United Kingdom,England,Beryl Swain,,1936,1,22,2007,5,15,71 United Kingdom,England,Divina Galica,,1944,8,13,,,, United Kingdom,England,Donna Fox,,1984,10,22,,,, United Kingdom,England,Emma Bristow,,1990,10,29,,,, United Kingdom,England,Fiona Leggate,,1980,5,28,,,, United Kingdom,England,Gwenda Hawkes,,1894,6,1,1990,5,27,96 United Kingdom,England,Jamie Chadwick,,1998,5,20,,,, United Kingdom,England,Jenny Tinmouth,,1978,3,8,,,, United Kingdom,England,Joanne Coles,,1992,6,25,,,, United Kingdom,England,Katherine Legge,,1980,7,12,,,, United Kingdom,England,Maria Costello,,1973,6,9,,,, United Kingdom,England,Marjorie Cottle,,1900,,,1987,,, United Kingdom,England,Olga Kevelos,,1923,11,6,2009,10,28,86 United Kingdom,England,Pat Moss,,1934,12,27,2008,10,14,73 United Kingdom,England,Patsy Burt,,1928,7,10,2001,10,4,73 United Kingdom,England,Pippa Mann,,1983,8,11,,,, United Kingdom,England,Rebekah Cook,,1986,8,3,,,, United Kingdom,England,Roberta Cowell,,1918,4,8,2011,10,11,93 United Kingdom,England,Vicki Butler-Henderson,,1972,2,16,,,, United Kingdom,Scotland,Louise Aitken-Walker,,1960,1,1,,,, United Kingdom,Scotland,Margaret Allan (racing driver,,1909,7,26,1998,9,21,89 United Kingdom,Scotland,Susie Wolff,,1982,12,6,,,, United States,Alabama,Ethel Mobley,,1914,3,8,1984,6,26,64 United States,Alabama,Tina Gordon,,1969,3,14,,,, United States,Arizona,Mary McGee,,1936,12,12,,,, United States,Arizona,Valerie Thompson,,1967,4,17,,,, United States,California,Alexis DeJoria,,1977,9,24,,,, United States,California,Ashley Force Hood,,1982,11,29,,,, United States,California,Brittany Force,,1986,7,8,,,, United States,California,Cheryl Linn Glass,,1961,12,24,1997,7,15,35 United States,California,Debbie Evans,,1958,2,5,,,, United States,California,Denise McCluggage,,1927,1,20,2015,5,6,88 United States,California,Elena Myers,,1993,11,21,,,, United States,California,Hailie Deegan,,2001,7,17,,,, United States,California,Liz Halliday,,1978,12,14,,,, United States,California,Shirley Shahan,,,,,,,, United States,California,Vicki Golden,,1992,7,28,,,, United States,Colorado,Melanie Troxel,,,,,,,, United States,Colorado,Sarah Duke,,1987,10,28,,,, United States,Connecticut,Arlene Hiss,,1941,,,,,, United States,Florida,Alli Owens,,1988,9,2,,,, United States,Florida,Jessica Patterson,,1983,9,14,,,, United States,Florida,Johanna Robbins,Long,1992,5,26,,,, United States,Florida,Patty Moise,,1960,12,29,,,, United States,Georgia,Louise Smith,,1916,7,31,2006,4,15,89 United States,Georgia,Sara Christian,,1918,8,25,1980,3,7,61 United States,Georgia,Tammy Jo Kirk,,1962,5,6,,,, United States,Illinois,Danica Patrick,,1982,3,25,,,, United States,Indiana,Leah Pritchett,Pruett,1988,5,26,,,, United States,Iowa,Shawna Robinson,,1964,11,30,,,, United States,Kansas,Jennifer Jo Cobb,,1973,6,12,,,, United States,Kentucky,Deborah Renshaw,,1975,10,28 United States,Louisiana,Angelle Sampey,,1970,8,7 United States,Louisiana,Kim Crosby,,1964,12,8 United States,Maine,Stephanie Reaves,,1967,2,24 United States,Maryland,Kelly Sutton,,1971,9,24 United States,Massachusetts,Erin Crocker,,1981,3,23 United States,Massachusetts,Louise Forsley,,1988,6,7 United States,Michigan,Ashley Fiolek,,1990,10,22 United States,Michigan,Ashley Fiolek,,1990,10,22 United States,Michigan,Della Woods,,,, United States,Michigan,Kim Lahaie Richards,,,, United States,Michigan,Nichole Cheza,,1987,6,11 United States,Minnesota,Leilani Münter,,1974,2,18 United States,Missouri,Chrissy Wallace,,1988,5,15 United States,Missouri,Mishael Abbott,,1981,6,21 United States,Nevada,Kayli Barker,,1997,7,25 United States,Nevada,Mackena Bell,,1990,6,9,,,, United States,New Mexico,Caitlin Shaw,,1989,8,28,,,, United States,New York,Janet Guthrie,,1938,3,7,,,, United States,New York,Joi Harris,,1976,12,11,2017,8,14,40 United States,New York,Julia Landauer,,1991,11,12,,,, United States,North Dakota,Natalie Sather,,1985,3,12,,,, United States,Ohio,Lyn St. James,,1947,3,13,,,, United States,Ohio,Sarah Fisher,,1980,10,4,,,, United States,Oklahoma,Kenzie Ruston Hemric,,1991,10,12,,,, United States,Pennsylvania,Donna Mae Mims,,1927,7,1,2009,10,6,82 United States,Puerto Rico,Tarah Gieger,,1985,9,18,,,, United States,Texas,Courtney Enders,,1986,11,14,,,, United States,Texas,Erica Enders-Stevens,,1983,10,8,,,, United States,Texas,Leslie Porterfield,,1976,,,,,, United States,Texas,Peggy Llewellyn,,1972,12,26,,,, United States,Texas,Robin McCall,,1964,1,20,,,, United States,Texas,Sherry Blakley,,1962,3,16,2011,2,13,48 United States,Vermont,Shirley Muldowney,,1940,6,19,,,, United States,Virginia,Diane Teel,,1948,2,16,,,, United States,Washington,Amber Cope,,1983,8,18,,,, United States,Washington,Angela Ruch,Cope,1983,8,18,,,, United States,Washington,Nicole Behar,,1997,11,15,,,, United States,Wisconsin,Claire Decker,,1995,2,22,,,, United States,Wisconsin,Natalie Decker,,1997,6,25,,,, United States,Wisconsin,Paige Decker,,1993,3,20,,,, United States,,Sue Fish,,1958,11,9,,,, Venezuela,Aragua,Samin Gómez,,1992,2,4,,,, Venezuela,Caracas,Milka Duno,,1972,4,22,,,,

Updated with added columns for genre and series of racing. Only about 20 of them are filled in so far. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:28, 28 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Dennis Bratland: Many thanks, this is very helpful. The breaking down of people by type of racing and series is problematic because drivers are adventurous. It's very common for open wheel drivers to go run sports cars, for example, and switching series is obviously common too. Also, coming up with standards for what counts as a notable series also gets messy. So as a results of this you end up with many people in many places and it just gets overwhelming quickly. The list was divided by country when I found it, and that seemed odd to me at first, but the more I thought about it started to make sense as one of those "the worst option except all the others" things.PotvinSux (talk) 19:32, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Reply
Yes, it's true that they move around, but lists are meant to be summaries of the most important facts, not comprehensive. If a motorcycle racer came up from Moto3, then raced in Supersport then Superbike then MotoGP, it's enough for this list to say they are primarily known as a MotoGP racer, since that is the peak of their career, and have a second column for whatever they are also known for, like Superbike. If someone has a really extraordinary number of different categories of racing they are known for, that can be mentioned in a "notes" or "comments" column. So we note that Danica Patrick was prominient in NASCAR and Indycar, without also listing every single minor series she raced in, from like Junior Formula or Sports Car. And we can always just add a third column and include even more of their career details.

As far as structure, most Featured Lists in motorsport categories use sortable tables, not broken down with ==section headers==.. For example List of Formula One Grand Prix winners, or List of Formula One World Constructors' Champions or List of Formula One fatalities or List of Grand Prix motorcycle racing World champions. So the default sorting could be alphabetical or chronological or by vehicle or racing series, but by clicking a sort button the reader can group the names by country, or put all the car drivers together, or whatever column they like. So we don't have to agonize that much over finding the perfect sort order or grouping, since the door is open to any other sort order. Even if we kept the current format and had a section header for each country, I still think the highest priority is to identify the genre and racing series they are known for.

It's going to take a long time to get all of these filled in, since there's 188 of them and you have to do it article-by-article. If you want to add a few, then save it to the list above, I can copy the updated list, add a few more, and save it back here. Once more than half of them are full we can move that into the main article space, and continue to fill it in. I'd still maintain a CSV list, and generate a wikitable from that, because wikitables are a nightmare to maintain or change. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

Interwiki linking

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In addition to #Use of flags, another thing I noticed about this article is that there's a lot of interwiki linking. While I understand that this is sometimes necesary, I'm not sure if the way it's currently being done is the best way to do it.

For example, María Abbate is interwiki linked to Spanish Wikipedia using the syntax [[:es:María Abbate|María Abbate]]. There is no article about her (at least none has yet been written) on English Wikipedia, so a conventional Wikilink would appear as a WP:REDLINK. Red links might not be very aesthetically pleasing, but they do serve a purpose when used properly. The current linking style shows blue links, but directs the reader to other language Wikipedias where the notability standards for inclusion might not be as stringent as they are on English Wikipedia.

In such cases, it might be better to follow the suggestion made in WP:ILL#Purpose and use {{ill}} instead; this will show that even though there is no article on English Wikipedia as of yet, there is a corresponding article on another language Wikipedia which reader can look at if they're interested. Using Abbate as an example, the syntax would look like {{ill|María Abbate|es|María Abbate}} and the actual link would look like María Abbate [es]. The are lots of others on the list like Abbate which don't yet have even a stub written about them; if these women are really notable per WP:NMOTORSPORT, then at least a stub could probably be written about them making a red link feasible; if they're not, then maybe they shouldn't be included in the list at all per WP:LSC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:38, 31 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

Emphatic +1. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:55, 31 August 2018 (UTC)Reply
Agreed.PotvinSux (talk) 20:41, 5 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

Flick Haig

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Missing from UK list a winner in British GT 2019 88.97.0.110 (talk) 12:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply