Talk:List of compositions by Maurice Ravel

Sonata no. 73

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Is no 73 the sonata for violin and cello? David Sneek 7 July 2005 08:33 (UTC)

This has been corrected.

Arrangements/orchestrations of other composers' music

Is there a complete list of these. I know of the following (all for orchestra unless otherwise indicated), but I'm sure there are others:

• Chabrier - Menuet pompeux
• Chopin - Nocturne, Etude et Valse (unpubl.)
• Debussy - Danse
• Debussy - Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un faune (for 2 pianos)
• Debussy - Sarabande
• Mussorgsky - excerpts from Khovanshchina
• Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition
• Mussorgsky - Introduction and Polonaise from Boris Godunov
• Satie - Prelude du Fils des etoiles (unpub.)
• Schumann - Carnaval (unpub.) PS. Maybe it is published now, since it seems to have been recorded [1]

JackofOz 07:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Missing one?

Where is "Cinq Mélodies populaires grecques"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.15.164.81 (talk) 13:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoever made up the list forgot to add the addendum with the arrangements. So it's actually missing a bunch. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 14:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah -- also the La Valse arrangements for piano are missing. Also that link doesn't work... could you copy the list here? 71.198.58.37 (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The site moved its links around for some reason. Here is the Ravel list. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 00:07, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

They seem to have moved it again. It's now here. --Deskford (talk) 01:18, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Am I going blind, or are the Deux mélodies hébraïques of 1914 also missing from this list? Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 17:35, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, they are missing because Marnat classifies them as arrangements (A22) and puts them in the supplementary list. Personally I think we are too closely tied to Marnat's catalogue – another Marnat quirk that Wikipedia has followed is that he calls the two violin sonatas "No. 1" and "No. 2", whereas in my real-world experience the 1927 sonata is always called simply "Violin Sonata" and the 1897 sonata, when it is mentioned, is something like "Sonate posthume". --Deskford (talk) 01:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

#67, Piano Trio in A minor (1914); and other catalog problems

This is presently shown as "Pantoum. Assez vite" for the 2nd movement, whereas CD recordings tend to show this as "Assez vif" instead, wherever it is given. A subtle distinction, but I wonder if anyone can confirm one or the other. Thanks. Milkunderwood (talk) 01:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit: The Catalogue des oeuvres linked by ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ is certainly not complete, and I have no idea how accurate or authoritative it may be. It does show vite rather than vif - but I find the catalog untrustworthy.

Quoting from the CD booklet for Harmonia Mundi France HMC 901364 (P)1991, Regis Pasquier, violon, et Brigitte Engerer, piano:

"In writing the Deux Melodies Hebraiques [commissioned for soprano] in May 1914 ... he was pursuing the process already begun with the Chanson Ecossaise (1907), the Chansons Grecques (1909) and the Chansons Populaires (1910) ...  Kaddisch, the first of the Melodies Hebraiques, is a liturgical chant ...  Ravel was to make several transcriptions of this long lament of spellbinding unfurling melismata, omitting the Aramaic words and retaining only the musical substance. Although he enlarged the vision of the piece in the orchestral version, here he returns to a contemplative expressiveness, giving the heart-rending melody to the violin while the extremely sparse piano accompaniment punctuates it with a few arpeggios and discreet chords."

Apparently none of these are listed.
Milkunderwood (talk) 02:21, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

There as of yet is no good full and up to date catalog I know of...feel free to fix what you can, preferably with reliable sources to help. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 03:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Just now checked back to find your response. I have four different recordings of the trio, which all specify Assez vif, so I'll edit the incorrect vite. Milkunderwood (talk) 00:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

1984 Olympics

Since Torvill and Dean won gold in the 1984 Olympic Ice-skating free dance, the most well-known (if not only known) piece by Ravel for the general public, at least in the UK, is "Boléro". Why no mention either here, and only as a Miscellaneous External link in the main Ravel article? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Not really needed in THIS article. It's fine to mention its popularity in both the Maurice Ravel and Boléro articles (though I'm sure they are already there, and note that it was his most popular piece ever since it was written). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 04:25, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying, but, um, I thought that this was a "List of compositions by Maurice Ravel"? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:40, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is. A list, that is. Not a discussion of any of the individual entries - we have either their own articles or the composer's article for such material. Here, all we need is a list of works. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 10:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem. My mistake, as a typical English speller, was to search for Bolero instead of Boléro. Not sure there is much that can be done about that. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Ah, the penny finally drops. From your opening sentence, I understood you were wanting some mention, in this article, of the use by Torville and Dean of Boléro in the 1984 Olympics. And I think Melodia Chaconne had the same interpretation. Now I see all you wanted was a mention of the piece itself - and as you've discovered, it was there all along. Glad we got that sorted out. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 11:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Scheherazade

I have the EMI 8-CD set of Debussy and Ravel orchestral works, which includes "Scheherazade: Overture de faerie" on disc #6. This isn't listed among Ravel's works here. The CD booklet (page 19) says it's Ravel's first orchestral piece, done when he was 24 for an opera that wasn't completed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.47.46.243 (talk) 20:25, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Missing "Deux mélodies hébraïques" ?

Can't find Kaddish/Deux mélodies hébraïques on this page (as per http://www.maurice-ravel.net/hebraiq.htm ) Any reason?--feline1 (talk) 20:47, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes – see the discussions above about this and other missing items. I think we should include them. --Deskford (talk) 21:41, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Greek and Hebrew songs

Several editors above have raised the issue of the absence of works classified by Marnat as arrangements. Of these, it seems the Greek songs and the Hebrew melodies are the most significant, so I have added these, using their Marnat appendix numbers. I'm still not convinced we should be using Marnat at all, but I hope this is at least a step in the right direction. --Deskford (talk) 00:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I've now added the Chanson écossaise and Chants populaires from the Marnat appendix too. In these additions I've used spellings per Marnat, although I would prefer "Kaddisch" rather than "Kaddich", and "hébraïque" rather than "hébraique". --Deskford (talk) 00:58, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see - Marnat treated them as "trad. arr. Ravel" type things - I guess that's fair enough. Is there any other catalogue of Ravel's works we could be using instead?--feline1 (talk) 09:59, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure that there is a reliable and widely accepted catalogue, though I'm no Ravel expert. The website you quote above – www.maurice-ravel.net – seems a useful resource, though it doesn't always give much detail. --Deskford (talk) 22:32, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Bold in lead

See [this link] for a discussion relating to the use of bold in the lead. UnnamedUser ^{(open talk page)} 04:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Legitimacy of the "a". "b" etc appendices to the catalog numbers....

Outside of the Daphnis suites and Le Tombeau de Couperin, I haven't seen any where else that uses these (for instance, denoting the two piano version of La Valse as 72a and the piano one as 72b). So I'm going to guess this was just another made up addition by Chuckstreet. They should probably be removed, but anyone have any contrasting evidence? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 14:32, 17 December 2022 (UTC)