Talk:List of birds of Florida

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I have removed Mangrove Swallow, since it is not in the list of North American birds, and is not mentioned as a vagrant to the USA in Turner and Rose, Swallows and Martins ISBN 0-7470-3205-5. jimfbleak 06:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

This brings up an interesting dilemma that I didn't think I would have to face until I got to the list for Texas. The NA list doesn't include it because the ABA did not accept the sighting(s). The Florida list did because the Florida Bird Records Committee did accept the sighting(s). Since we are using two different independent authorities there is a discrepancy. My feeling is that since the article claims to be using the list published by the Florida Bird Records Comittee, it should include it. However, since the NA list doesn't include, it (and any other similar species) should be explained in the intro. Something along the lines of:

"This list includes the Mangrove Swallow and the Black-hooded Parakeet, species which are not on the List of North American birds. These listings are based one or more sightings that were accepted as valid sightings of a wild bird by the Florida Bird Records Commitee. However, the American Birding Association, the authority used on the North America list, did not accept the sightings as being valid. Dsmdgold 14:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that FBRC accepts the Black-hooded Parakeet which is also not on the NA list. This, I think, is a case of disagreement over wether or not the population is "established in the wild". Two birds on the pending list, the Common Peafowl and the Purple Swamphen, if and when they are accepted by FBRC, will be in the same boat. Dsmdgold 15:02, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I am happy with this with one caveat. In most European countries the national rarities committee decides whether to admit new species, and regional bodies refer "official" rarities to this body and accept their decision. This at least means the US/Florida siuation cannot arise. If the national body is the final arbitor, and Florida accepts this, than the swallow should not be on the local list anyway. jimfbleak 15:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

The situation is bit more chaotic over here. The state Ornithological Societies (OS) are usually independent of all of three of the national organizations (the AOU, the National Audubon Society, and the ABA). The bird records commitees are usually a part of the state OS, although some are part of the state Audubon Society. However the National Audubon Society does not publish a check-list. The state societies do not always defer to the national organizations, in part out of a sort of "damn it we know what we saw, what do those bastards know, they aren't here" mindset. An interesting account of one such dispute, the acceptance of a sighting of the Blue Mockingbird can be found here. Dsmdgold 16:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Black-hooded Parakeet (better known as Nanday Conure, but that's another can o' worms...) simply hasn't been taken up by the ABA Checklist Committee yet; it will probably be added in their next session. I didn't know they'd rejected the Mangrove Swallow - on what grounds?

IMHO the AOU and ABA Checklist Committees are rather redundant; they should only consider cases where there is no state Records Committee. In all other cases, if the state RC accepts it, the "higher ups" should rubber-stamp it.

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- Aerobird 21:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Well aftr some checking, it seems the ABA did accept the record in May, 2005. The sighting was in November, 2002. I don't know what took them so long. The NA list had not been updated to reflect that. It now has. (A total of 5 species added and 1 removed due to lumping). Of course now all of those "there are x species world wide, y North American species, and z state species" statements in the individual state lists will have to be adjusted. Sigh. Dsmdgold 03:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

whooping bird

I live in deltona Fl. This wonderful bird was in the wet lands behind my home,not knowing what kind of bird it was I took movies. Look like a sand crane but was larger and was white with black under wings w/black tips.It was 7 of them.In checking you sight the whooping crane is the only thing that looked like them.

               ru4me42962@aol.com   Ruby

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.157.34.53 (talk) 00:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

They probably were Whooping Cranes. You should consider yourself very lucky, the Whooping Crane is one of North America's most endangered birds. Until recently there was only one poulation that wintered in Texas and bred in Canada. A recent effort has been made to establish a second population which would winter in Florida. Dsmdgold 03:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The first section

The top section seems to have had a huge chunk removed, see this edit. As it's currently on the featured articles page, I'm unable to fix it, maybe an admin can look into it? RoscoHead (talk) 05:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, logged out & back in, now I'm able to edit it, so it's done. RoscoHead (talk) 05:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Updating

After much flailing, the list has been updated to the present status per the AOU and FOS checklists, although I need to go through the last several AOU supplements one more time to be sure all the scientific names are correct. However, updating the "worldwide" species numbers, somebody else will have to do! Anyway, the list should now, I believe, once again be worthy of its Featured status. :) - The Bushranger (talk) 23:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Family counts

If somebody could go through the article and have a look at the various "World" and "North American" species counts and make sure they're all correct, I'd be much appreciative. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 01:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

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July 2, 2020 revisions

Because of the large number of changes necessitated by the update to the Check-list of North and Middle American Birds which the American Ornithological Society published on June 30, 2020, the revisions to this article are presented here rather than in a long series of edit summaries. Changes are per the AOS unless otherwise noted.

• Revise the references in the introduction.
• Revise 1 genus.
• Revise multiple families' common names per Clements.
• Revise the sequence of species in genus Selasphorus (Hummingbirds).
• Revise the sequence of genera in family Trochilidae (Hummingbirds).
• Revise the sequence of species in family Rallidae (Rails, gallinules, and coots).
• Revise the sequence of families in order Suliformes.
• Revise the sequence of species in family Phalacrocoracidae (Cormorants and shags).

Craigthebirder (talk) 01:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

August 2021 revision

These are the changes made to update this list to the 2021 Check-list of North and Middle American Birds published by the American Ornithological Society (AOS) on June 29, 2021. In addition, 11 species and two subspecies are added and one species substituted per the FOSRC.

• Revise the sequence of families in Order Passeriformes.
• Revise the binomials of two cormorant species.
• Revise the specific epithet of crested caracara.
• Revise the genus and position of ruby-crowned kinglet..
• Revise text, counts, and references as appropriate.

Craigthebirder (talk) 15:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)