Talk:List of Space Launch System launches

Why were so many mission proposals not copied over?

This article was created by copying some but not all the mission proposals that were listed on the SLS page, I would like to know the rationale for why the entire list on the SLS page was not copied directly over when you created this page? Boundarylayer (talk) 23:43, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

I'd like an explanation as well since I flesh out most of the mission section on the SLS page before it was moved. A lot of my work is now 'gone'. Doyna Yar (talk) 21:35, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Additional Mission proposals

There have been some other proposals for missions in Cis-Lunar space. For example, the Orbital ATK Lunar habitat. https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/05/orbital-atk-cislunar-habitat-missions-sls-orion/ Or the joint US-Russian habitat. http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/a21884/us-russia-moon-plan/

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Requested move 22 July 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Calidum 19:25, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

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Proposed SLS and Orion missions → List of Space Launch System launches – Proposing a scope change to this article where it would be made into a list article detailing the upcoming launches of the Space Launch System (SLS) à la List of Atlas launches (2020–2029) and List of Thor and Delta launches (2020–29). This would make the article into a list of four launches – Artemis 1, Artemis 2, Europa Clipper, and Artemis 3 – followed by a prose section detailing proposed missions to launch atop the SLS. A separate article, List of Artemis missions, would detail the complete roster of planned and proposed missions in the Artemis program à la List of Apollo missions, including all Orion, CLPS, and Gateway component flights, most of which do not involve the SLS. Alternatively, this article would be merged into Space Launch System due to its relatively small wealth of information (when you take away headings above each sentence) that could easily fit as a moderately sized prose paragraph in the § Proposed SLS flights section, and List of Artemis missions would still be created. Move for the first option, Merge for the second option, Keep for the status quo. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 17:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

• Move - I was torn between the first and second options because I was one of the people who advocated for the deletion of a similar article, List of Starship launches, as being too premature. However, on further reflection, I realized that there is a major difference between the two: we actually have planned manifests of SLS and Artemis flights. Ergo, I support a move. - Jadebenn (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

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Move follow-up

@PhilipTerryGraham: Are you planning to create List of Artemis missions soon, or is that more of a long-term thing? - Jadebenn (talk) 01:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Jadebenn: Thanks for pinging me! I initially didn't realise this discussion was closed before you pinged me. I had assumed because there was only one reply, that it'd be relisted instead. I've gone ahead and made the necessary changes as proposed by me and concurred by you in the discussion above! You can check out the changes to List of Space Launch System launches here, and List of Artemis missions here! – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 06:59, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Overcomplicated and oversized table

@Soumya-8974: You recently removed a simpler table that would be easier to read and comprehend, with only necessary cells, and descriptions with citations. The descriptions in particular allowed for cubesats to be noted in prose along with their associated programs, with citations, and notes about launch vehicle complications, with citations as well. You went ahead and replaced these, without explanation, with an overcomplicated and oversized table that introduces the following problems:

• It has barely any citations, and all the citations of the previous table were removed for seemingly no reason
• It uses its cells in a confusing way (e.g. Artemis 1, 2, 3 as "flight numbers"? That's not what that column is meant for.)
• {{TLS-H2}} and its related templates are optimised for use on lists similar to 2019 in spaceflight, per its own documation, but not relatively simpler lists such as List of Atlas launches (2020–2029), and as a result:
• It gives each payload its own column when it could all easily fit in a {{Hlist}} cell, taking up more space than necessary
• It uses cells that will never change for this particular page, taking up more space than necessary (e.g. launch pad will always be LC-39B and the LSP will always be NASA)
• It gives individual targets and mission statuses for missions, when the list is solely focused on SLS launches and should only present the target and status of the SLS flight itself, again taking up more space than necessary

As aforementioned, this table would be better suited for 2020 in spaceflight, ect., in which the templates were designed for in the first place. I'm invoking the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle to preserve the status quo for now, so that a discussion can ensue without edit warring. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 09:08, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I've also put back your citation of Boeing Space's tweet using {{Cite tweet}} in a prose description for the fourth SLS flight. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 09:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

...with some modifications!? —Yours sincerely, Soumyabrata (contributions • subpages) 10:08, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Soumya-8974: I'd say there's nothing wrong with the modifications you made recently, if that's what you mean! – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 03:29, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Orion and ESM

ESM is part of Orion. So this formulation is misleading. Hektor (talk) 22:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

@Hektor: This was mostly to have both payloads linked. If anything, Wikipedia having separate articles for Orion and ESM is confusing, when the entire Apollo CSM block is one article. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 01:06, 20 November 2019 (UTC)