Talk:List of Henry Danger episodes

Possible Skip

It seems a bit odd to me that we'd go from episode 213 to 217, especially considering that until this happens, everything has aired in production order. I guess only time will tell. My only theory right now is that The Futon Critic made a typo and episodes 14 and 15 of season two are indeed 214 and 215, respectively. Amaury (talk) 20:18, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

There is a crossover Danger and Thunder witch is 214-215 witch may be the reason. As for going to 217 instead of 216 I have no idea, but it may have something to do with the crossover so that's why they skiped that one. Cooper said it would air next month witch I thinks he means may. Will shall see. No mistake on futon was made as I followed the production.WP Editor 2012 (talk) 14:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Danger & Thunder - listing at Zap2it

I notice in the Zap2it listing for Henry Danger, they have the episode "Danger & Thunder", as I understand it a crossover of both Henry Danger and The Thundermans, scheduled to air on June 18, but it is listed twice (S2 E17 and S2 E18) [1]. The Zap2it listing for The Thundermans does not have this episode listed at all [2]. How do we handle this? I noticed recent edits in this article and also at List of The Thundermans episodes—which have been reverted, though if the ones who inserted the air date had used Zap2it, one would be sourced and one would not be. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:54, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Nick said it is a "blockbuster movie event" in the primary source reference we are using. We presumed that it would be a combined episode but really haven't known that for sure. Zap2it seems to get early info before other sources like Futon so it looks like Nick is planning this as solely a Henry Danger episode with crossover characters from another show. The doubling in the listing seems normal for Zap2it, we need to see what actually happened. Futon normally gets this right. Sometimes combined episodes don't show up at all in the normal episode listings and get listed separately as a stand-alone. Need more info but for now, based on Zap2it, we should remove the listing from The Thundermans and update the schedule for Henry Danger with the primary source still stating it is a single entity. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:09, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

This episode is a Henry Danger episode not a thundermans episode. The production code would be 214-215 for this produced episode. from what I have Gathered it is airing as a full hour this time around not like what has been done in the past. I am not going to get into saying that this is 2 episodes, but just thought I give that information at least. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 16:04, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Some episode summaries removed due to COPYVIO - DanSchneider.com

I was looking through the episode synopses at "Henry Danger Episode Guide" at DanSchneider.com (season 2 only). What I'm seeing there matches nearly verbatim what I see in the episode summaries here, particularly the first six episodes of the season, and also episode nine ("Christmas Danger"). One thought popped in my head about this being possibly a mirror site, but I doubt it. Since I don't know for sure, I'm assuming the contents at DanSchneider.com to be copyrighted (I saw that link in the production code column references for s2), and the episode summaries in question here are being deleted, per WP:COPYVIO. I have looked only at the season 2 episodes, so don't know yet if at least some of the season 1 episodes also have this problem. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:04, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: I don't think I would ever bring it up or let alone suggest it anywhere, but that's why I'm starting to think it would be better if we just didn't have the summary parameter and removed it, or, at the very least, only allow editors such as yourself to write summaries as, first of all, you would never use copyrighted work and, second of all, you actually care about the grammar used. You don't write really short and choppy sentences—otherwise known as sentence fragments—to the point where it's hard for someone else, like myself, who comes along to improve the grammar and has an incredibly hard time fixing things or making things sound more coherent. List of Make It Pop episodes is a good example of users who just wrote whatever without bothering to read it.

Perhaps I'm going too far the other way, though, but, again, my feelings aren't that strong that I would ever suggest it. Personally, however, episode tables do look a little neater without summaries, and there's an example of that here. Although I'm not saying summaries make them a total mess, either, so hopefully I'm making sense. It's more the sloppy summaries than anything, but yeah. Amaury (talk) 18:37, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Number of episodes for second season

WPEditor 2012 insists on removing perfectly sourced information that shows season two will have 20 episodes just on the basis that he thinks "it's no longer correct." That's not how it works. Wikipedia works on sourcing information, specifically for future information. It's one thing to remove a source from an aired episode because the episode itself becomes the source, and there's still a column reference for the air date, but the same can't be done for future information. Amaury (talk) 20:47, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Removal of sourced content, without replacing it with a new source, is disruptive editing, plain and simple. Especially when it refers to future event a la WP:CRYSTALBALL. Wikipedia runs on Verifiability, not truth, not some random editor's "word" that "they know the truth". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

like I said before above I follow the production of both shows. Henry Danger wrapped with I know your secret and the pics from the cast prove it. The episode before that is ox pox and it matches up with the instagram pics. Same with game shakers the Revenage at tech fest was the last recorded as pics match up from that week with the episode from the cast instagram and twitter accounts. Jace even stated in a interview that I know your secret will pick up in season 3 the video is on the Henry Danger wiki. Game Shakers has 325 produced and Henry Danger 19 produced but with the ways you guys go it will be 23 for GS and 18 for HD. I was just removing it until season 3 starts or something else can be found. . but you guys are being pain in the necks. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 21:02, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@WP Editor 2012: Again, it doesn't matter what you "know" – it matters what you can prove by the addition of reliable sources. If it can't be backed up by RS, it stays out, even if later events prove the current version of the article "inaccurate". This is simply the rules that Wikipedia is governed by – short-term "truth" takes a back seat to longer-term accuracy via use of RS. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree, there's no reason to remove reliably sourced information unless you have another reliable source that says it has changed. Once there's confirmation that the season is over, we can update the episode count. nyuszika7h (talk) 21:18, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

That source is more than a year old and shows what what planned. It is the best we have but it now appears outdated. I tagged it. A video from Jace is evidence the original info is now wrong but we can't use his words as a reference as he doesn't speak for the show. Something from Schneider directly would be authoritative as he is the show runner and can speak for the production. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay I didn't think about the better source needed. That will work until the season 3 at least starts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WP Editor 2012 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Henry Danger

Why you delete that link ? Hsm foreverr (talk) 18:59, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2016

In the section for Season 1, Episode 5, "Dave Malkoff" incorrectly links to the Wikipedia page of another person with the same name (not the Dave Malkoff who wrote the episode). That Dave Malkoff is a news reporter/weather man, not a television writer for kid sitcoms. Please un-link "Dave Malkoff" to correct this error. Additionally, if possible, please link "Dave Malkoff" to this page... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1337455/ Thank you for your help.

Therealdavemalkoff (talk) 18:19, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done Removed the wikilink. However, I will not replace that link with one to his IMDb page, as external links do not belong within the body of the article (outside of the section called "External links", and that link would not be appropriate there either). MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:32, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2016

{{Episode list |EpisodeNumber = 44 |EpisodeNumber2 = 1 |Title = TBA |DirectedBy = TBA |WrittenBy = Dan Schneider |OriginalAirDate = 10/9/16 |ProdCode = 301

80.1.194.39 (talk) 17:16, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:27, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2016

Episodes season 2: 19, episodes season 3: 14 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3596174/episodes?season=3&ref_=ttep_ep_sn_nx) Bjarni2002jonck (talk) 09:08, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: IMDb is not a reliable source. See WP:RS/IMDB. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:18, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Danger & Thunder Extended Version

Danger & Thunder has an extended version which premiered on Labor Day. However, should this be mentioned as a note for the episode? Would it be considered trivia?

Having a notation of this extended version would make the format in line with other Episode Lists on Wikipedia. E.g. for iCarly, there's a separate premier date for extended versions and for The Thundermans.

The page was edited twice to include the notation, [3] and [4] but both were reverted as trivia.

Example of the text included: (text is in bold for example purposes to emphasise it)

Extended content

No. overall No. in season Title Directed by Written by Original air date Prod. code Viewers (millions) 42 17 "Danger & Thunder" Steve Hoefer Dan Schneider Jay Kogen Dave Malkoff June 18, 2016 (2016-06-18) 995 2.24 <short summary> Also starring: Jack Griffo, Kira Kosarin Guest stars: Jeffrey Nichols Brown as Mr. Hart, Michael D. Cohen as Schwoz, Josh Fingerhut as Van Del, Ben Giroux as The Toddler, Ryan Grassmeyer as Jeff, Joey Richter as The Time Jerker, Amber Bela Muse as Nurse Cohort, Mike Ostroski as Dr. Minyak Note: This episode features crossover appearances from Phoebe and Max Thunderman of The Thundermans. An extended version premiered on September 5, 2016 which featured some deleted scenes.

~ Appleseed w (talk) 13:21, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Is there a reference that the the airing on September 5, 2016 was an extended version as opposed to a normal rerun? I think with a reference that it is a different version it would be notable and not trivial. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:33, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: Thanks for the input, I'm not sure if there's a specific website reference. However, the episode has been promoted on the official Nickelodeon Twitter multiple times and there's also an ad that aired on the channel.

Twitter posts: [5], [6], [7]

~ Appleseed w (talk) 14:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Those could work as references as it's from a verified account. – nyuszika7h (talk) 14:40, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Meh – I'd still consider it trivia. If they rebroadcast a 60-minute episode with a special 90-minute version (and that was notable enough to garner secondary sourcing notice), then it'd be notable. But a "deleted scenes" version, or a "sing-along" version, etc. rebroadcasting is not notable. So I basically agree with Amaury here that this should be left out.... Let's face it: this kind of thing is exactly what Wikia is supposed to be for. But including this level of trivia in an encyclopedia?!... I vote "no". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:58, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

It would be notable if some independent secondary reliable source covered this. Another place the info could be included is in the summary description where the deleted scenes could be described if that impacted the story in any way. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:08, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: Thanks for your opinions and input! I think that Nickelodeon's style of broadcasting needs to be taken into account. Usually, there won't be a release of an extended version (or "deleted scenes" version) and that this occurs quite rarely. For example, in the show, The Thundermans, there was only 2 episodes with alternate versions out of a total of 68 episodes while in iCarly, there was only 4 episodes with alternate versions out of 109 episodes. As far as I know, it's the first time in Henry Danger that an extended version was made. ~ Appleseed w (talk) 15:56, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Any opinions on this? ~ Appleseed w (talk) 11:52, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

It's hard to say as I missed the extended version and it doesn't look like it'll repeat. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm still of the opinion that it doesn't merit mentioning, as it appears that there's no secondary sourcing available reporting this as something noteworthy. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:28, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

The extended version only had a few extra lines added to the scenes. It wasn't much like in the iCarly episodes for iSaved your life where it had 7 extra minutes. This episode only had about 2 minutes of things added.WP Editor 2012 (talk) 17:54, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 January 2017

February 11th 2017 Double Date Danger (314) Williamboy1000 (talk) 16:51, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

 Not done @Williamboy1000: This does not describe exactly what you want added or changed to the article. I'm assuming it's to add an episode to the list that is not already there, with its production code, but you must also provide a reliable source (no Wikias or user-generated content, see WP:RS to find out what is acceptable) to back this episode and production code. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:21, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

JAM Session and Green Fingers airdates

At this point the airdates from zapit are untrue. I looked at TV Guide.com and Zapits Guide and they are not listed. Even on TVGuides Site for henry Danger. Futon still hasn't updated, but those do indeed look like they aren't going to air on those dates. I say we should take them off at this point. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 15:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Statements like that would need to be backed up with a reliable source, which TV Guides is not. We have a reliable source right now stating those air dates—Zap2it—so they stay on there until either those dates have passed and nothing new actually ends up airing, like what was done with Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, or The Futon Critic or Zap2it, our reliable sources, update with newer information. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Special production codes

I've noticed that The Futon Critic is listing (upcoming) reruns of previous specials in two parts with their actual production codes (eg, 214–215) compared to the special production codes (eg, 995) Nickelodeon gives to double-length or recap (Hunter Street, I Am Frankie) specials. And in the case of "Hour of Power" and "Danger Games," 994 and 991, respectively, are no longer supported as even the original airings are now showing the actual production codes instead of the special production codes. In the case of those two episodes, we should defs change those no longer supported production codes to the new supported productions codes. In the case of the other specials that are listing both the normal (for reruns) and special (for the original airings) production codes, such as "Danger & Thunder," I think it would actually be okay to change those to the normal production codes as well since they are listed now on The Futon Critic. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:10, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

We should ignore reruns if we have the original info. The special codes were to tag the special creation of merging two other things. We should use the original codes if still can be sourced but if they can't falling back to what we can source is best and likely won't be contentious. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:18, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Use the U.S.C.O. to "break the tie", if the prod. codes are available from there. Frankly, I've been uncomfortable with Futon Critic's "9xx" "special" prod. codes for a while, as I'm not sure they're "real" (or where they're coming from). Whatever is in the U.S.C.O. database (if it's available) is truly "real", in terms of prod. codes... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Although the source has been updated, it makes sense to go with the updated production codes as those are the real production codes. Simulation60 (talk) 19:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. The special production codes are from Nickelodeon to show that they merged two or more productions into a single presentation. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:10, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Geraldo Perez, IJBall, and MPFitz1968, got an update. For whatever reason, The Futon Critic has decided to change things. See my last three edits here, here, and here. However, The Futon Critic is still supporting 999 for Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn's "Go Hollywood" and 998 for Game Shakers' "Revenge at Tech Fest." Although I imagine those will also be changed based on things. Otherwise everything else has been changed. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

End of the fourth season and beginning of the fifth season

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Today cooper uploaded a video here [8], it mentioned tonight's episode is the start of season 5, the next episode is a season 5 episode, witch Futon will confirm with the production code. Just giving you the heads up that it looks like season 5 is being combined with the rest of season 4. 99.19.12.152 (talk) 04:16, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

It's not nearly enough... This is another case where Nickelodeon has hosed us (e.g. see iCarly) – Nick did not advertise anything about a "season premiere" and just started running season #5 "production" episodes right after airing season #4 episodes. What that means, AFAICT, is that there is no "season #5" as far as Nick's broadcasting of this show is concerned. And there may never be... Until that changes, the season #5 "production" episodes will need to be included under "season 4" for the purposes of this article and the parent article... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:48, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: Zap2it will probably have it correct at some point. Remember Zap2it did the same thing with Kirby Buckets and Gamer's Guide to Pretty Much Everything as well. It had the first few season two episodes of Kirby Buckets and the first couple of season two episodes of Gamer's Guide to Pretty Much Everything under season one. See Kirby Buckets here (#22–25). (You can see I goofed on the summary with the numbering. :P) When I performed this, they had been properly placed under season two. See Gamer's Guide to Pretty Much Everything here (#22–23). When I performed this, they had been properly placed under season two. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:13, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

No, I'm saying Zap2It actually has it correct, right now. Nick did not advertise any of these as a "season premiere". As a result, they're legitimately "season 4" episodes, regardless of what the production codes are... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:16, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Season four wasn't advertised, either, and neither was season three, from what I remember. It just started airing in September 2016. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:19, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

That's actually a big problem! If we don't have any sourcing for that, I'm not sure how we can categroize any seasons for this show! (Wouldn't it all be WP:OR?!)... And I just looked – what the Futon Critic has isn't much help here: they have P.R. for renewals, but nothing on when new seasons actually premiered in terms of broadcast. Pinging Geraldo Perez for his thoughts on this. Because I'm a little stumped, though I'm still thinking that we can't put a "season #5" for this one with how this has been broadcast over the past 2 months... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

The concept of seasons is from shows that run regularly October to May with well defined season breaks, each season being a story arc and each season ending with some arc resolution and teaser for the next season. For shows that don't have the obvious breaks we keep looking for word from the network as to what they call season end and start and if there is no time gap and word from the network we are left flailing. It doesn't help that iTunes and Amazon sell shows in chunks they call seasons that don't match the networks. We could just call things production runs and go strictly by production codes and ignore network marketing but that goes against how we normally partition shows on wiki. I tried that with List of Ben 10: Omniverse episodes as that show was definitely advertised as arc oriented, but that article is unstable as people keep wanting to change arc to season. If we are going to keep season as the key here and the network isn't helping, then we need to go with how reliable sources partition the show. The fallback if reliable sourcing is not helping, is to just go by production codes and map seasons on to production runs. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:28, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

TV Guide has it split into two seasons. --2605:6000:A507:A300:D080:8727:9B3:14DF (talk) 17:57, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

In some cases, that would be fine, but I have no idea what we can do here! – they aired 415 → 419 → 422 → 502 → 409(!) → 501 → 503 → 504... I guess we could put the "cut" after 409 – call everything up to that "season #4", and everything after that "season #5". Or call everything from 415 on "season #5". Either way, assuming that's what WP:RSs do. But, yeah – it's awkward (at best!)... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

That's a mess right now, as they have "season 4" episodes airing after "season 5" starts (and count "Rubber Duck" in "season 5", but include "Henry's Birthday" in "season 4"!)... If they clean that up, and put the "cut" at "Danger Things", then that might work. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:46, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @IJBall: I wouldn't call it WP:OR per Geraldo's statement above. Since Zap2it is reliable, how it breaks seasons is also reliable. And it marks "Sick & Wired" as the season four premiere. It just seems odd, of course, because there was only a one-week gap between it and "Swellview's Got Talent." While of course WP:NOTRS, from what Nickandmore mentioned on Twitter a while ago, two season four episodes would be a part of season five and two season five episodes would be a part of season four. If you look at the table, you'll see we're missing #413 and #421. If you look at the Wikia, this is probably what it should be like: Season 4 on Wikia Season 5 on Wikia. Obviously, again, it's not reliable, but it does give you a general idea. If Zap2it ends up doing that or something similar, then we can use that to make the split between seasons four and five. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:09, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Geraldo Perez: While I definitely agree with it being annoying that Amazon splits seasons into volumes, with the number of episodes per volume varying—except on rare occasions, like iCarly being properly seasoned—it does at least follow some sort of pattern in that it will never mix episodes from seasons. For example, from the discussion we had at Talk:List of The Thundermans episodes#Redux 2: Nickelodeon breaks seasons into volumes on some services like iTunes but each volume maintains content from the same season. Secret Revealed is always included with other season 3 episodes. Emphasis mine. Or notice how Amazon's Henry Danger season six ends with "Swellview's Got Talent," while its season seven begins with "Sick & Wired," agreeing with Zap2it. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:09, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: Although it really wouldn't be any different than Liv and Maddie, Girl Meets World, and Bizaardvark. Liv and Maddie aired one season three produced episode in season two and one season two produced episode in season three. Girl Meets World aired one season two produced episode as a standalone special and one season one produced episode in season two. Bizaardvark aired one season one produced episode in season two. And for that one, according to the Wikia's trivia section of that episode, it was reportedly because they wanted Frankie's dad to be a more prominent recurring character, but he was busy during the first season, they held off on #118 and did some reshootings, I think, and put it in season two. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:15, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Nickelodeon announced Henry's Birthday as the season five premiere.[9][10][11][12]Js0822 (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

You'll need to provide proof of this. The promo I saw promoted it like any other episode. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:23, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

https://premieredate.news says "We monitor news and specialized resources to update our articles on a daily basis" which makes it look like a web scraper. One of its sources could very well be wikia or Wikipedia. It appears they do no fact checking on their own and just aggregate stuff they find on the net. I can't see it passing WP:IRS. If they tell us where they get their info we could possibly use that but I don't trust their conclusions without something official from the network. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:05, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

http://epguides.com/FAQ/ says they get their info from http://www.tvmaze.com which states "TVmaze is a community of TV lovers and dedicated contributors that discuss and help maintain tv information on the web." basically anonymous users like Wikipedia. Also dubious about it passing WP:IRS. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:33, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

EpGuides is generally accepted as an 'External link' for WP:TV, but I don't think anyone (even myself) thinks it's acceptable as an inline source. So, no – it can't be used to establish when seasons start/end, esp. in a weird case such as this one. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:01, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

And The Futon Critic doesn't list "by seasons", so they're absolutely no help at all on this question. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:35, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Actually, we could use it. Notice: CURRENT SEASON: 5 (20 episodes), as MPFitz1968 mentioned here. It used to be Season: 4 (22 episodes) to source the number of season four episodes. MPFitz, do you happen to remember/know when that changed? If it was still season four by the time "Flabber Gassed" aired and changed sometime between then (October 20) and Saturday (November 3), that would be further supportive and could be used to support "Henry's Birthday" as the season five premiere. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:51, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: No clue. I just noticed it in The Futon Critic at the time of that edit from me that you mentioned (on October 31). MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:57, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Then I'm betting it changed after Flabber Gassed, as I've been regularly checking it lately and now fairly remember it being four still around the time Flabber Gassed aired. The Futon Critic will be good enough to make the split, and I can work on it later. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Again, that's "production season", not "broadcast season". I don't think that helps us. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:50, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Don't think so. There were, I believe, five season one episodes in Game Shakers season two, and The Futon Critic said season two. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:40, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: Per this edit, is Episode Date reliable or does it fall in with Premiere Date as well? I don't see Episode Date anywhere on WP:TVFAQ, neither reliable nor unreliable. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:53, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: When the first page has register and login buttons it sets off alarms. And they get their data from TVmaze. Don't see it being a reliable source. Most of those sites look to be just going off production codes and declaring broadcast seasons as the same as production runs. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:19, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: WP:NOTRS aside, I'm not so sure since they're including "Danger Things" (502) and "Flabber Gassed" (501) in season four. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:22, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: Maybe they are just looking at the ep count and the longer than recent times between episodes and declaring it a season break. What I see is no support from the network directly, but some sort of consensus solidifying among the dubious reliable guide sites as they interact with each other. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:47, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: While individually not enough, even though they're not WP:RS, maybe we can use the fact that there is a consensus shared among those sources, as you mentioned above, to justify a season five split. I can't imagine us having a 42-episode fourth season (22 produced from season four and 20 produced from season five). Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:06, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: I was thinking the Nickelodeon website could be of help, which does have a season five section, but unfortunately, it's going by production codes, so it doesn't really help, either, because after Danger Things, for example, we go back to season four episodes. See Season 5; Season 4. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: I an uncomfortable using consensus formed by unreliable sources feeding off each other. It is going in a circle based on dubious interpretations of the same data. The Nick site at least has the benefit of being an official outlet of the network. If they say the end of season 4 overlaps with the beginning of season 5 we can at least point to the network site as justification. The problem for us is it breaks how we number episodes. If we kept the numbering in airing sequence we would have gaps in both the s4 and s5 tables with e19 in s4 and e18 in s5. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:58, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: Exactly. Part of the problem with using Nickelodeon is that, albeit reliable, it's unusable since it's going by production. We would end up with dates going back and forth, as you mentioned, such as having "Danger Things" and "Flabber Gassed" hypothetically in season five. We would see October 8 as the premiere, but then in season four, we would have October 13. And the thought process would basically be: "How did an episode from next season air before an episode from the previous season?" Logically, that's not possible for a case like this. This isn't like Girl Meets World airing "Girl Meets Fish" in season two, since that episode is in the season two table, so it doesn't cause the same confusion with the aforementioned question earlier in this post. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

The promo says season 5 (Henry's Birthday) [13] Js0822 (talk) 00:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Js0822: I watched the promo and saw nothing about season 5 in it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

The futon critic says :current season 5 (20 episodes) Js0822 (talk) 14:05, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Js0822: They are not going with futon since TVguide or Zapit doesn't agree with them and have episodes all over the place. Honestly I would go with Futon as It's the best site we have for now. The season 5 in the video you posted was just part of the title and not mentioned in the video, I know over at the Henry Danger wiki the are trying to even out episode numbers and with their not being a solid point where season 4 ends and season 5 begins it makes sense to a degree. With the behind the scenes video that was released a few weeks ago by Nick [14], it mentioned that season five is going to have major plot driven storylines/ there being a Game Changer starting with 506, as well being confirmed by Mike Caron [15], they needed to start it sooner than later. If they find out that Flabber Gassed is part of the major storyline for season 5, they may look into this again, asnd end the fourth season with Rubber Duck, Saturday Nigt Lies or even Up the stairs, as I do know that has been talked about as well. [they got their guidance from the iCarly wiki when they went through their drama here [16]. At this point I think Wikipedia is going to have to do what works for them at this point. Captain Kid 2018 (talk) 16:18, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: We may just have to go with The Futon Critic here, which says the fifth season is currently airing, and on the fact that there was a one-week gap between "Flabber Gassed" and "Henry's Birthday," which may be our indicator for the fourth season's end and the fifth season's beginning, just like there was a one-week gap between "Swellview's Got Talent" (S3) and "Sick & Wired" (S4), though that was more clear since Zap2it did have a season four section starting with "Sick & Wired." Granted, networks are always having random gaps in their seasons, even broadcast networks—for example, there was no new The Good Doctor on October 22—so in cases like this, you pay attention to anything else that might be happening. Notice Henry Danger was airing consistently on a weekly basis since its return on September 22, with premieres on September 22, 29, October 6, 8 (special), 13, and 20. Then on October 27 was that gap, before it returned on November 3. And in November, it has consistent weekly airings again all month, with premieres on November 3, 10, 17, and 24. This is close to the same thing that happened last year, at least before "Sick & Wired." Consistent weekly airings, with premieres on September 16, 23, 30, and October 7, 2017. On IJBall's statement: Again, that's "production season", not "broadcast season". If it still had "Season 4 (22 episodes)" when "Danger Things" aired and then still when "Flabber Gassed" aired, then it's likely not going by production season. Like I mentioned earlier, I can't expect us having a 40-episode season. 😂 And it's not completely WP:OR, as we do have something. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:33, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Amaury: If we go by gaps the one between May 19 and September 22 is much more significant and also maps on the normal season schedules of the major networks. The problem is that there are too many conflicting sources. I have hopes that Zap2it will give us something soon. Futon is unhelpful as it just says we are in s5 not when it started. It could be that 409 was a burn off of season 4 and not really part of it and ended up getting shown in s5 and season 5 started with 502. Or 502 with its strange date 2 days after 422 was the odd one and was part of s4 with 501 starting the season. I can't see how 503 is the s5 start. Geraldo Perez (talk)

And I still say it's all season #4 until we're shown definitively otherwise! This is basically Nick's fault (again!). But we shouldn't "make up" a new season, when none was announced/advertised, and there was no meaningful "airing break" between episodes, and the S4 and S5 production batch episodes are aired willy-nilly back-to-back like this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

While it's no longer supported, as The Futon Critic has changed the current season airing, another caveat is that when it was saying season four, it said 22 episodes. Now, yes, what is planned isn't always what happens, especially in Henry Danger's case as its fourth season had a triple length special, giving us 20 aired episodes for the fourth season. Usually, however, we end up with less episodes than what was planned. The problem here is that we're saying 22 episodes for the fourth season, which is evident by #422 being the last season four produced episode, but if we keep going like this, we'll have more than 22 episodes for season four, more than what was planned. So then what? As mentioned, there are only 22 season four episodes, and that hasn't changed (#422 -> #501). Season five will have 20 produced episodes. While there's always the possibility of gaining more episodes, it is impossible to lose episodes. By which I mean that it's possible to climb to 22 episodes if we're below that, but once we're at, say, 30 episodes, it is impossible to erase eight episodes out of existence so the numbers match with what season four was planned to have. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:08, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

The Great Cactus Con just ended on a major cliff hanger, it's about time you guys come to a conclusion on how you guys want to split season 4 and 5. If All I would maybe consider Starting Season 5 with this episode or Henry's Birthday. I know the sources aren't lining up but this site is just as confusing as the other websites. Captain Kid 2018 (talk) 02:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

This links prove that season 5 is currently airing. [17] [18] Js0822 (talk) 14:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

That doesn't prove anything. All it says is that the fifth season is currently airing. Doesn't say which episode was the season five premiere. HOWEVER, the point is now moot as Zap2it has updated, as I expected. See here. Courtesy pings for Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, and IJBall. Will be updating the articles shortly. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:29, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Interesting that they didn't put the "cut" at "Flabber Gassed", as that's the "first episode" of the season #5 production batch... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:06, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: From what Nickandmore explained a while ago, two season four produced episodes were moved to season five broadcast—"Thumb War" (413 and 421)—and two season five produced episodes were moved to season four broadcast—"Danger Things" (502) and "Flabber Gassed" (501). Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:06, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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Guest Stars

On the episode list, it currently says that Michael D. Cohen is a guest star. But he appears in a lot of episodes and is part of the main cast (well, at least that's what the introduction says). So, shouldn't we remove him as a guest star for all of of those episodes. Mystic Moore (talk) 11:01, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

He was promoted to a main character in the fifth season. In seasons 1–4, he was a recurring guest star. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:36, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2019

Please change the number of viewers for Henry Danger: The Musical to 2.2 million because the numbers shifted after the first viewing as evidenced in this article: thewrap.com/henry-danger-musical-2-year-ratings-high-nickelodeon/ --I wrote the episode, so just want accurate numbers! Thanks! Marthasmom (talk) 19:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: We only include L+SD. Amaury • 14:25, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Sing-A-Long

Just want to understand- is there any reason why "Henry Danger: The Musical Sing-A-Long" is not being listed as an episode? Yes, it is the same episode as "Henry Danger: The Musical" but with the lyrics on-screen, but as seen through Futon Critic, they are sort of two separate episodes/versions. Could it not be listed as a special or at least be noted in the summary of "Henry Danger: The Musical" that it is a thing? Magitroopa (talk) 04:35, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

We don't list repeats. Amaury • 04:50, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this is the kind of thing that can be mentioned in prose, esp. at the main TV series article in the 'Production' or 'Release' section, if it can be sourced. But this is not a "new" episode in any meaningful way, and so does not merit a "separate row" in the episodes table. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:41, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

"Glittered with Danger"/"Sister Twister Part 1"

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Just posting a little FYI here- AltTitle may need to be used for what is currently listed in this table as "Glittered with Danger"- Futon Critic currently lists the September 21 episode by that title, while Zap2it is currently listing the September 21 (Zap2it lists episodes off a day, so it says September 20 when it means 21) episode as "Sister Twister Part 1". Just wanted to put out that warning before it does get added in. Magitroopa (talk) 15:49, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: I know you've been reverting edits on this recently, but at this point, I would think an AltTitle would be appropriate. Yes, we go based on TFC as the main source, but Zap2it is being used as a source for titles too- considering it's listed on there as that, I would think it would be appropriate to include it. Yes, I know I've stated that Nickelodeon's own commercials on TV are advertising it by that title, and yes, as you stated, "it is a title Nickelodeon has given it for advertising purposes."- however, even sites other than Zap2it are listing it by the Sister Twister title, including Spectrum and TVGuide.

The closest examples I can think of that are similar to this are from SpongeBob- S11 E22, "Goons on the Moon", which listings and Nickelodeon promos called it "SpaceBob MerryPants". More recent SB examples would be from S12, "The Krusty Bucket" (advertised in promos as "SpongeBob Meets Plankrab") and the upcoming "Mind the Gap" (advertised in promos as "CoolBob SmoothPants"). However, these other titles aren't used since they are only used in advertisements, not even listed by those titles on Zap2it. "Glittered with Danger" is different from those examples, as "Sister Twister Part 1" is how Zap2it and numerous listings/cable guides name it by. Magitroopa (talk) 15:15, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

The problems is the dates don't match, so it's WP:OR to say they're the same episode. Also, based on promotion, it's just a title being used in the promotion, not the actual title. It's akin to Andi Mack's premiere. The premiere was called "Tomorrow Starts Today" by Disney Channel, but was just really "13" and "Outside the Box" being shown back-to-back. Once the episode premieres, we can see how Amazon lists it. Amaury • 15:20, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

A couple of comments here: First, TV Guide is absolutely a WP:RS, and can be used for episode titles (and air dates in some cases)... Secondly, while Zap2It's listings are currently a day off, and so (mostly) can't/shouldn't be used for air dates, I think Zap2It still can be used to source episode titles. All that said, in this case, I think I would wait until after this episode airs before adding an AltTitle to see if the alternative title is actually "real", or just "promotional". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:48, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Little update on this. I know we still can't change/edit it until we have proper WP:RS for it, but Nickelodeon has been updating their schedule today, and their site is using the Sister Twister title. I know we'll wait until Amazon/YouTube adds the episode on, but seeing this, I have a feeling Sister Twister is the title that will be used on there. Magitroopa (talk) 01:15, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The Nickelodeon site itself cannot be used for the aforementioned reasons. Amaury • 01:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Zapit has just changed Inside Job to Sister Twister part 2, so I went ahead and changed it since its pretty much officially now. Futon isn't always on top of changes. It is pretty normal for an episode to have another title during production then get changed later. For instance One Henry three Girls was originally called, A Very Special Bathroom and The Meatball. Agentdoof (talk) 14:55, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

It's not "official", for the reasons outlined above. And even if these end up being titles, that still does not justify not listing the other titles under an AltTitle parameter. Bottom line: Your edits do not have consensus support right now, and you need to stop edit warring on this. Basically, WP:NOHURRY applies, so let's wait to see what happens. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

I see that Futon has now updated with the titles and you've already changed it here. Is there a reason the original titles are not listed under AltTitle, or should those titles be added under that now? Magitroopa (talk) 18:34, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't think those are need as those were working titles while in production. This is the official name, if it was something Like Captain Man On Vacation I think it would make scene adding it. Agentdoof (talk) 18:58, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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Dividing Season 5 into "Part 1" and "Part 2"?

I'm thinking we should divide HD's season #5 episode table into a "Part 1", and a "Part 2" starting with the January 2020 episodes, as Nick has advertised the January 2020 episodes as "the final season" (and mentioning this in prose at the top of the section). This is how we ended up handling iCarly (season 6), and I think in this case it makes sense to leave a single "season 5" table, while dividing it into two "Parts". Thoughts? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Seems superfluous and unnecessary. With as many hiatuses as The Thundermans took, we could have done the same thing, hypothetically, but didn't. I don't really see what value parting adds. It doesn't make us understand anything better. (I would say the same thing about iCarly, but that one was a little more complicated case.) Also, Nickelodeon's promo was later changed to say the final episodes. Amaury • 18:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Because Nick advertised it this way. Geraldo would probably argue that we should actually start a 'Season 6' section, because "Nick gets decide what a season is" (which, technically, is true). I don't go that far, but splitting into Part 1 and Part 2 acknowledges both how Nick (primary source) handled this, and how sites like The Futon Critic (secondary source) are handling it. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:18, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't have to say anything and my point is made 😊. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:44, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Nickelodeon isn't exactly the best thing here, as they never even advertised the fourth and fifth seasons, or the third season, as far as I can remember. So going by that, we don't even technically know where we're at. The difference with the fourth and fifth seasons, though, is that there was only a one-week gap between the third season "finale" and fourth season "premiere" and between the fourth season "finale" and fifth season "premiere," further complicating matters. And The Futon Critic supports five seasons, as seen by CURRENT SEASON: 5 (40 episodes). Zap2it also only has five seasons, and it's really been the only way to tell which episodes go where since the fourth season. And, again, Nickelodeon later changed their promo to say final episodes instead of final season. Also, this time Amazon is no help as its "seasons" for Henry Danger are just volumes, and according to Amazon, Henry Danger is now in its twelfth season! Note also the renewal announcement from Nickelodeon said renewed for a fifth season, with two separate extensions later down the road, giving us 40 episodes. (Although number of episodes is irrelevant as to what constitutes a season, as 40 episodes could either be two seasons of 20 episodes each or one big season of 40 episodes. What matters is what reliable sources support, and what they support more of.) I don't see any announcements saying a sixth season, not even from unreliable sources like blogs, Amaury • 20:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Which is why we'll divide the table into "Parts", rather than start a "Season 6"... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

The same point applies. There's no need to part it. What value does that add for our readers? None. I certainly see no value being added. We'll still be, "Look! More new episodes! Yay!" Now, that doesn't mean parting doesn't serve a purpose; otherwise, the parameter would have never been created. When Degrassi: The Next Generation aired on TeenNick, TeenNick had actual blocks for each of its seasons: usually one for summer, one for fall, one for winter, and one for spring, though blocks were sometimes merged, resulting in only two or three blocks, but there were still blocks. One season had a summer block, a fall block, a winter and spring block, and another summer block. Each block typically had a theme—for example, "The Boiling Point." The number of blocks also depended on the number of episodes in a season. In any case, for things like that, it makes sense to part things, which, ironically enough, isn't done for the Degrassi episode list or season pages here. However, Nickelodeon or even Disney Channel series don't air their seasons in blocks (certainly not announced blocks), they just air. They can't even follow the traditional season airings that broadcast networks do: late September/early October through mid to late May, if it's a full season. If it's a short season, like the first season of The Conners, things are different, but even then, there's still a pattern. Amaury • 21:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Finale date

Yes, I know Futon Critic updated and has the date of the last episode (March 22)... However, am I going crazy, or do I remember some mention somewhere that the 'last aired' spot doesn't get filled until the ratings for the 'last aired' episode come in, or until after the 'last aired' episode airs/not before it airs? Either way, all of the edits to add it in have been putting in improperly formatted citations. Magitroopa (talk) 14:40, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

The column title is "Last aired" which is a past tense label. Implies fill in after it happens. May be worth mentioning in the lead or the episode summary itself, with that reference, that that date is the date scheduled to air the final episode of the series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I was pretty sure there was something in that regards. Best I can find is about the infobox from Template:Infobox television, but pretty sure that applies to a series overview table as well. "Only insert the last episode's date after it has happened." Magitroopa (talk) 16:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

You're looking for Template:Series overview, which doesn't have the same "restriction." I don't remember the reasons, but it's really just the infobox where you have to wait for the series to premiere before showing the start date, though even then, it's not an absolute and is, to my knowledge, more like guidelines. (Note that nothing here is absolute, not even policies.) There's nothing wrong with including a season finale date in the series overview table—if there's more than one season, of course, as we don't use the series overview when there's only one season—before it happens, as long as you can source it with a reliable source. It's no different than having a season premiere date in the series overview table before it actually premieres. Like in this version of NRDD's episode list, where we had season three info a little over two weeks in advance. Amaury • 17:17, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

This article is incomplete.

Either the article has to be split into 5 separate articles (I.E. One for each season of the show). Or the plot summaries and writers'/directors' names have to be filled in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobbleyBalls (talk • contribs) 15:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Not sure what you're talking about... only 1 episode is currently missing the writer/director names, and that's the series finale, airing tomorrow night. This article is fine... Magitroopa (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 08 December 2020

I've never used Talk before, but attempting here.

This episode of HENRY DANGER doesn't have a synopsis here, so I wanted to provide the one that is in tonight's TV listings for TEEN NICK on TitanTV (which I assume is publicly usable?).

HENRY DANGER oad 11/30/19 "HOLIDAY PUNCH"

Synopsis: --- WP:COPYVIO removed --

I don't know how to insert the source reference because it appears in a pop-up window on TitanTV. This episode is airing tonight 12/08/20 on Teen Nick at 8.30pm

Thanks!

198.72.138.160 (talk) 14:13, 8 December 2020 (UTC)Tammy

 Not done Contents of TV listings have a copyright and use license that prevents use on Wikipedia. They are not publicly usable and including them is a copyright violation. Wait until the episode airs and write a description in your own words. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

There is also one word in the plot of the episode “The Danger Begins” that is misspelled with some people confused with wether the word is pronounced personality or anything similar to that word. 2600:1702:2340:3020:C1D7:A54A:2770:AF02 (talk) 22:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)