Talk:Lee Hays

Alcoholism

Over the last year or so, several anonymous ip's have added and deleted descriptions of Lee Hays as an alcoholic. Does anyone have a source to cite to establish this one way or the other? Bencoland (talk) 22:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

He may have been an alcoholic, but so were large numbers of people in that hard-drinking era, especially in the entertainment industry.173.56.200.209 (talk) 04:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I removed another unsourced description of Hays' supposed alcoholism. Whoever adds such references needs to source them. The trajectory of his life suggests that the primary cause of his life-long mental problem with depression was not alcohol, but had to do with the childhood traumas of abandonment caused by his fathers' early death and his mother's subsequent mental illness and institutionalization (and perhaps heredity). Not to mention the the loneliness and privations of his early years and the death of his closest friend in his twenties. In addition he truly suffered from life-long, untreated physical illnesses that would depress anyone. It has also been suggested that he was a repressed homosexual, but, again, without definitive sources, this is speculation.Mballen (talk) 18:05, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

"Hard-drinking era", I thought that there was prohibition in the USA during Hay's time.125.237.105.102 (talk) 06:05, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Just for the record, prohibition began in 1920, and when it ended, on Dec. 5, 1933, Hays would have been 19. Mballen (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

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POV

Hays was a Communist and a radical far left agitator - to many. To some (of similar persuasion), he was "concerned with overcoming racism, inequality, and violence in society". I would suggest that the introduction is biased and not accurate.125.237.105.102 (talk) 06:02, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Lee Hays was ever a Communist Party member. And the term "radical far left agitator" is far from NPOV, my friend. He's only "far left" if you assume that opposition to Jim Crow, support of the labor movement, and opposition to excessive Cold War militarism were or are "far left"-and I doubt that most people would accept describing those things as "far left" was a statement of objective fact, rather than your rather bitter and vindictive opinion Lee Hays never caused anyone to be radicalized who would otherwise have been content with the existing order in the place where they lived([[User: Ken Burch[talk"]] 06:11, 28 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:4E00:7876:C459:AC27:1F1E:FBA3 (talk)

Not much of a problem here on several counts. First, the statement you quote is entirely accurate - but it is not sourced and should be and needs to be and can be. At the same time, your observations about him are also accurate and are discussed in the article. In modified form, they can and should be added to the lede, with sourcing from WP:RS. Hays, like Seeger, may or may not have been an actual CPA member, whatever his sympathies were. "Radical far left agitator" is POV in language, and I suspect that an accurate and pointed reference to the same can be sourced in appropriate encyclopedia language. Balance is always a desirable goal, and Hays being "concerned with..." et al. is not mutually exclusive of him being a radical activist. The lede should include both. IMO. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 06:16, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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