Talk:Leave No Trace

NPOV

This article has nothing against the LNT movement. It reads like an advertisement for LNT. It should definitely have a criticisms section. Jesuschex 22:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I cannot find any negative comments about Leave No Trace through Google. If you can add criticism that is verifiable and not original research, feel free. I would like to point out that the article does not support LNT, but simply describes it. hike395 23:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

John M. Turner critcized the movement in "From Woodcraft to Leave No Trace ...", in the journal Environmental History. Here's a link: [1] (PDF). I'll put up some of his arguments soon. Jesuschex 15:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Fascinating. I think this would be great to incorporate into the article: right now, the article has no historical/political background. After a very quick read, I don't see Turner as against LNT, but pointing out the 180 degree turn that the philosophy of wilderness use took over the last 70 years. That can easily be made NPOV and incorporated into the article. Thanks for pointing this out, it's really interesting. hike395 18:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Christian Nobel outlines some of LNTs short comings in "Leave No Trace killed Woodcraft... almost" on the page masterwoodsman.com. Here's the link:[2] I think incorporating the points about LNT limiting the perspective to "anything that alters nature is wrong", loss of skills and knowledge, and corporate financial background of LNT should be include.

4.59.54.82 (talk) 20:24, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Former disambiguation

I changed Minimal impact code and Pack it in, pack it out to redirect to this page. The articles had no references and most of the orgs in the External Links sections espouse Leave No Trace. With their removal, I took the trad climbing link and the two "See Other" links on the disambiguation page and put them in the See Other section on this page, which removed the need for a disambiguation page. I could see the case for a disambiguation link to traditional climbing, if someone wants to put one up, but I don't think there's a case for a separate disambiguation page. Banaticus (talk) 12:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Everett Ruess as possible source of LNT

A quote from him, as shown on his wikipedia page: "When I go, I leave no trace." There is no mention of him whatsoever on the LNT article, could be a useful addition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.132.241 (talk) 14:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 00:01, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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Leave No Trace → Leave no trace – Technical request contested as controversial. Per WP:NCCAPS, this article is about a general ethos and slogan, not a proprietary concept or proper noun. It seems to be used as an acronym, which leads some people to overcapitalize the full phrase; compare to amusement with prize. The title isn't the only case where this article is uppercase crazy, although it may be a relic of when the article was about an organization called Leave No Trace. --BDD (talk) 16:15, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose Generally when Leave No Trace is referenced (the principles, not the organization) it is always capitalized, including by the National Park Service. I actually cannot find anything that has it not capitalized. Since capitalization is the widely-used format, I don't think we should be the first ones to try and change that. On a side note, the LNT Seven Principles are copyrighted by the organization so that may affect wanting to change it to lowercase since they always capitalize it. Similarly, the organization always capitalizes the individual principles too, which I think is what you are referring to as "uppercase crazy," so I think those should remain capitalized. Deflagro (talk) 19:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose The article is about both the ethos and the organization that promotes the ethos. Check the second half of the article. The organization should be capitalized, so the article title should be capitalized. —hike395 (talk) 20:47, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

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Backcountry and Frontcountry Principles Combined

There are no longer separate principles for "backcountry" and "front-country". There is only one set of the Seven Principles of Leave No Trace.

• Plan ahead and prepare.
• Travel and camp on durable surfaces.
• Dispose of waste properly.
• Leave what you find.
• Minimize campfire impacts (be careful with fire).
• Respect wildlife.
• Be considerate of other visitors.

100.0.57.122 (talk) 19:09, 25 September 2020 (UTC)