Talk:Lancia Stratos HF

use in michael jackson's moonwalker?

note needed? Michael Jackson's Moonwalker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.199.56 (talk) 11:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

By all means, if you are so informed, then be bold and add a more detailed reference in the article if a Stratos does indeed appear in that game. Just don't add a trivia section to accommodate it, though... MRacer (talk) 16:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

D'oh, I presume you meant the film. I even recognised it too, the original Bertone prototype... MRacer (talk) 16:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of the film - I've added a small reference, quoting the acknowledgement from the credit roll. I'm not sure if that's an appropriate referencing method, as most people prefer links to some manner of source that would essentially say "yup, it's in there" that'll break not long after - but the movie is certainly available for rent/sale just about anywhere if anybody wants to factcheck. I don't think it appears in the video clip for Smooth Criminal, however, so I have left that as an open rfc. It may be that some longer versions of the video clip showed the car, I wouldn't know. 82.73.234.138 (talk) 01:09, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Civilians

The article covers the car's rally career, and mentions that it was produced in extremely limited numbers, but there is nothing about sales to ordinary people. Was it ever sold to the general public, and if so how did Fiat go about this? Are there contemporary magazine adverts for the car? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Added some detail following the resurgence of coverage in the motoring press during December 2010. Warren Whyte (talk) 08:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Pop Culture section?

The car has appeared a number of video games, and some TV productions. Should there be a section for it? 198.68.16.40 (talk) 14:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

There has been significant additions and deletions of various popular culture references in this article in recent months, and would suggest that some may be appropropriate if they meet Wikipedia "In popular culture" standards. Rather than just random mentions of where the Stratos may appear, consider only add instances where they are of significance. If someone knows why the Stratos is featured in several cartoons, I'd be interested to know! Warren (talk) 12:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

"When properly written, such sections can positively distinguish Wikipedia from more traditional encyclopedias. They should be verifiable and should contain facts of genuine interest to the reader. Detailing a topic's impact upon popular culture can be a worthwhile contribution to an article, provided that the content is properly sourced and consistent with policies and guidelines."

Sega Rally additions

Ok, I agree it was in the wrong section - two of the heading "="'s should have been removed to turn it into a section of its own. However, Sega Rally is a valid addition, the car is featured on the marquee (sp?) for Sega Rally 2[1] Best I can do at short notice - the Stratos' distinctive headlights can be seen on the bottom right of the marquee) and promo artwork for SR2[2][3] (I know that one's a wikilink), and was both the cover car and on the CD itself for the Sega Dreamcast release [4][5]. a_man_alone (talk) 16:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Interesting to see the Stratos HF featuring on the cover of the Sega Rally 2 game. If you can find some proper third party references rather than blogs, this would be worthy of a short line in this article - especially if there was a reason for using the car so prominently. For me I find it very interesting, and strange, that a 1998 game would feature a car from the mid seventies. Warren (talk) 17:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I would have thought it's inclusion in the game would have been obvious - it was bloody brilliant. All the SR games have used real (rally) cars, so the inclusion of the Stratos isn't so unusual. Can't find any other refs really - it took me all evening to find those reviews - I believe Gamespot is considered reliable, at least in the sense of proof of existence, if not any in depth detail. However, for what I'm after - confirmation of the fact that the Stratos existed in the game - second or even primary sources are adequate. a_man_alone (talk) 19:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

3.0 V6?

Is it worth adding the 3.0 V6 to the infobox? Even though there was only one produced, it was still the 2.4 Dino V6 really, just with a crank change to give the extra capacity. a_man_alone (talk) 13:20, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I dont think so, I think its enough to be mentioned in article -->Typ932 ^T·C 17:24, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Kit and replica versions.

There are three companies building Stratos replicas. Hawk Cars (formerly Transformer), Napiersport (formerly CAE Carson Automotive Engineering and before that Litton/Allora) and Hennessy Racing which builds replicas of the Group 5 prototype. 66.232.94.33 (talk) 11:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

2010 Lancia Stratos

Lets be clear the car is neither a Lancia (Ferrari) or a Stratos (F430) and has no place in this article. It has been deleted. Bjmullan (talk) 20:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

?? It has not be same car but it bears the same name -->Typ932 ^T·C 13:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

The merge has been completed as per the tag, with corrected section name from 2010 Lancia Stratos to New Stratos. As will be noted in the press reports, the New Stratos is nearly always refereed to as the new Lancia Stratos becuase it is patently a homage to the original Stratos and as such belongs on this page. Warren (talk) 12:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Several points regarding my edit:

1. The reference makes no mention of the son. WP:OR
2. The reference makes no mention of keen rally driver WP:OR and is irrelevant to this article anyway.
3. This is an article about the Lancia Stratos and any concept cars should be mentioned but there is not need for the info box (WP:UNDUE
4. Wikipedia is not a collection of links and the New Stratos links was removed per WP:ELNO.

Perhaps you could lay out your reasons based on WP policy why my edits were reverted? Bjmullan (talk) 15:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

You raise some interesting points about policy. How about asking for citations for contentious claims: if you don't agree with a claim, or think an item is unsubstantiated, there are plenty of other ways to challenge rather than crudely deleting the whole text -WP:CITE, such as . You could also consider WP:CON - in this case two editors have questioned your edits... And WP:IMPROVE. On specific points 1 and 2: the son, you could challenge or delete this as it probably isn't that important but is included in the Evo November 2010 reference, but being a rally driver is of interest due to the original Stratos being developed to rally. Point 4 you seem to have misread WP:ELNO and suggest you read further down to WP:ELOFFICIAL. Point 3 about the infobox is fair enough, though some of the data within it is very interesting to compare with the original Stratos.

The car has been well published so not sure why you are concerned about WP:OR - especially as this article has been contributed by many different editors, and many different references.Warren (talk) 16:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

So lets remove the reference to the son and the infobox (lots of the technical data is in the paragraph). For your info WP:ELOFFICIAL states "The linked content is controlled by the subject (organization or individual person) of the Wikipedia article. This article is about the Lancia Stratos not some other car, but lets leave it for now. Bjmullan (talk) 17:09, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Which is it?

I notice that the article says

  "Bertone knew that Lancia was looking for a replacement for the ageing Fulvia for use in rally sports and so he designed an eye-catcher to show to Lancia"
  "After that a cooperation between Lancia and Bertone was decided to develop a new rally car based on ideas of Bertone’s designer Marcello Gandini who already had designed the Lamborghini Miura and Countach."

And

  "The Stratos was a very successful rally car during the 1970s and early 1980s. It started a new era in rallying as it was the first car designed from scratch for this kind of competition."

But then

 "Despite of the fact that the Stratos was never intended to be race car, there were two Group 5 racing car built with 560 hp (420 kW), using a single KKK turbocharger."

Which is it? Is a "rally car" not a form of "race car"? To me this sounds utterly contradictory. If it was developed and built solely to be a rally car, then it clearly WAS "intended to be a race car". An Austin Mini, for example, was "never intended to be a race car", yet became a successful one. That statement would be accurate in that case. The Lancia Stratos was designed, financed and built for the purpose of motorsport competition, as well as to increase the prestige of the car maker. It never would have existed if not for their desire to compete in motorsports.

I'd also like to mention that a lot of the language in this article needs to be cleaned up and made more consistent. I may attempt to do so, if I can do it without messing anything up too badly..45Colt 04:01, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Racing (driving on circuits) and rallying (driving from point a to point b) are like apples and pears. The Stratos was originally meant for rallying, and only a very few were later used for circuit racing too. I bet that is the meaning behind the text... RX-Guru (talk) 12:45, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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Banning of 24-valve head

In paragraph 5 of History it says "Beginning with the 1976 season the 24 valve heads were banned from competition for being non-standard." Thing is, the rule change came in at the end of 1975, but only banned them from the end of 1977.

I have, for other reasons, been looking closely at the rule change that banned multivalve heads. Before 1976, the use of "bolt-on option kits" of alternative heads with different numbers of valves (and cams) was allowed for Groups 2 and 4 by section 260, clause z, sub-clause bb of Appendix J to the FIA's International Sporting Code: "Optional equipment which may be recognized with a minimum production of 100 units per year to equip 100 cars". All this rule required was that 100 of the kits to be produced, not the production of 100 modified cars. This subclause disapeared from appendix J for 1976 (published in December 1975). However, that new version did allow the modifications already authorized under the previous appendix J to "be used until 31.12.77 for rallies."

As support, I point out that Graham Robson writes several varations of "Toyota's Celica dropped out of contention when new homologation rules outlawed its 16-valve engine at the end of 1977" in books on variaous rally cars including the Fiat 131 Abarth (if it's not a sin to mention that "thing" on this page) and the RS1800.

Appendix J 1975[[6]]

Appendix J 1976[[7]]

Graham.Fountain | Talk 19:37, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Well no one disagreed, so I changed it and cited the relevant version appendix J.

Graham.Fountain | Talk 11:17, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

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Prototype engines

 "The prototype had three different engines in its early development life: the Lancia Fulvia engine, the Lancia Beta engine and finally, for the 1971 public launch, the mid-mounted Dino Ferrari V6 producing 190 hp (142 kW) in road trim."

So presumably the Fulvia and Beta engines were not mid mounted, or there would be no need to specify the V6 separately apart as being so, right? What I want to know (aside from how they fit a front-mounted engine in the prototype with that body shape) is how one manages to make a single car into either a front or rear-mid engine vehicle. That requires major redesign, basically a total change of everything besides the body panels. If there was indeed one singular prototype that was cut up and so massively changed, it hardly seems like you can call it the same car, and would rather count as two different prototypes. Much more likely would be a series of prototype cars. Although I suspect in this case someone just put the words mid-mounted in the wrong place, and the prototype featured at various times all three engines rear-mid-mounted. I am not qualified to make that change, since I wasn't even sure if it was front or rear-mid engine until I came here to find out. Speaking of which, the info box ought to say rear-mid-engine, since a car can be front-mid-engine as well, and it is not at all clear from what is there now. I don't feel a reader should have to scan through the text just to clarify something basic like that.

BTW a photo showing the prototype from the front would be nice as well. The rear bumper and tailights are no doubt attractive, but most people consider the front of a car to be its primary identity

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