Talk:Labor Party Philippines

Requested move 8 January 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. After two listing periods, there is no clear mandate to move either of the two pages proposed.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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• Labor Party Philippines → Workers and Peasants Party (Philippines)
• Workers and Peasants Party → Workers and Peasants Party (India)

– This is the preferred name of the party. Showiecz (talk) 03:53, 8 January 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 09:43, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

• WithdrawShowiecz (talk) 04:57, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
• Moved to Labor Party (Philippines) for the first move standard disambiguation of Labor Party names in different countries. Do not supported the second move as it is the only political party with that name. 36.77.64.79 (talk) 06:01, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose any move for now. This party has been known for a variety of names, including "Labor Party Philippines" (never just "Labor Party"). There had also been several labor parties in the Philippines in history so they had chosen a good dabbed name. "Labor Party (Philippines) redirects to Partido Manggagawa which translates to "labor party". I don't know if "Workers and Peasants' Party" is now the preferred name, but "WPP" now is the preferred acronym. Their vice presidential candidate is still referred to as the candidate of the "Labor Party of the Philippines" here, here, here, with the second source also saying that it is also referred to as the "Workers and Peasants Party." I guess the current name is now "Labor Party of the Philippines," but usage is slowly shifting to "Workers and Peasants Party". I suppose we wait for some more time until WP:RSes make up their mind and begin calling this party as the "Workers and Peasants Party." Howard the Duck (talk) 21:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support second only Workers and Peasants Party → Workers and Peasants Party (India). Workers and Peasants Party should become a DAB including Workers and Peasants Party (France), perhaps Workers' and Peasants' Party (Japan) (now titled Workers' and Peasants' Party (1948) and an unsourced but probably saveable substub) and Workers and Peasants Party (Egypt) and possibly others but that's already three at least. The first proposal does not seem yet supported by sufficient evidence. Andrewa (talk) 09:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Tambayan Philippines has been notified of this discussion. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:56, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 23 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 11:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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(non-admin closure) Labor Party Philippines → Workers' and Peasants' Party (Philippines) – Reliable sources refer to this party with their new name. Showiecz (talk) 20:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Tambayan Philippines has been notified of this discussion. CMD (talk) 02:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Three of five cited sources still include the "Labor Party Philippines" name or some variation of it. That old name isn"t going away easily. 🤷‍♂️ Howard the Duck (talk) 09:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Citing a few sources proves nothing. The sources cited in the article seem to favour Labor Party. So what is the more common name? No valid rationale for a move as of yet. Andrewa (talk) 05:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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2 WPPs

This was moved from Labor Party Philippines to the current title. There seems to be 2 WPPs:

• Workers and Peasants Party aka Labor Party Philippines fka Lapiang Manggagawa, the party that nominated Hermogenes Ebdane for president in 2016, Manny SD Lopez for vice president in 2022, and nominated Apollo Quiboloy for senator in 2025
• Workers Party Philippines, the one having Sonny Matula as its candidate.

See for example this news article. This news article says Matula's party is the Workers and Peasants Party.

Also for your reference, Hariboneagle927, as this seems to have been moved via a technical request. This was discussed in no less than 2 RMs. Common courtesy would have asked for another RM, or at the very least a discussion if there should be a separate article on the Matula party.

Suggestion: Move this back to "Labor Party Philippines" or even Workers' and Peasants' Party (Philippines), then create another article Workers' Party Philippines for the Matula's party. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:17, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Smh, another mess concerning our parties. As per GMA News from what I understand is there are two groups.

- Workers' and Peasants' Party is under Atty. Tolentino and Quiboloy.

- Workers Party Philippines the one under Matula and Arias

I have overlooked the two RMs, I admit. But based on the information provided so far. I lean on "Workers Party Philippines" being the correct and most recent name for this entity. "Workers' and Peasants' Party" would be a new article or at least mentioned here? Hariboneagle927 (talk) 03:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

The only explicit source of the name change from LPP to Workers Party Philippines, I could find is Senior Times and that a new logo bearing the name "Workers Party Philippines" is shown by Manny SD Lopez on his Facebook post. Do note that the post text uses "Workers and Peasants Party" (WPP) instead.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 03:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

The Senior Times logo is identical to the one Wikipedia has. That's dated April 2024. It states that Labor Party Philippines is one of the oldest parties in the Philippines and renamed itself as the Workers Party Philippines. That article and Matula both mention Ariel Arias as one of their officers.

Manny SD Lopez's Facebook post is dated September 2024, the time of national conventions. It does show a different logo for the Workers and Peasants Party.

I have a feeling there's still another Labor Party Philippines, the original one that's descended from Lapiang Manggagawa. Based on this 2022 Manila Bulletin article, the names listed there were the ones that were long associated with the party, at least since 1998.

This is something for COMELEC to sort out, if you guys want to create an article about Matula's party, create Workers' Party Philippines, while Lopez's party can either stay here or move to Workers and Peasants Party (Philippines). Howard the Duck (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

On that 2022 party that was supposedly descended from Lapiang Manggagawa, was, and still is, Mark Tolentino (apparently an SMNI regular), one of the officers, and posted on Facebook the CONA for BBM from their party in 2022. The Manila Bulletin article did not mention Manny SD Lopez being nominated as VP by Tolentino's party. So, based on this:

• Lapiang Manggagawa (LM) became Partido ng Manggagawa at Magsasaka (PMM), then became Workers and Peasants Party (WPP-Tolentino).
• Workers Party Philippines (WPP-Matula) also claims descent from original LM, and had a meeting earlier this year.
• Labor Party Philippines that nominated Manny SD Lopez seems to be a separate organization from WPP-Tolentino and WPP-Matula.

Howard the Duck (talk) 22:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

When asked on what "WPP" stands for, Matula says "Workers and Peasants Party" at Twitter and not "Workers Party Philippines". This indicates that there is just one party all along. Howard the Duck (talk) 09:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)