Talk:Kroncong

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Keroncong ore Krontjong was developed in Tugu a kampung near Jakarta. Kampung Tugu was given in 1611 to the Mardijkers by the VOC. Mardijkers (from merdeka)were freed mixed Portuguese, Bengali, South-Indian, Balinese slaves from Malacca who became Calvinists. Indo-European children who were not recognized by there European father intermarried with the Mardijkers. Kampung Tugu became a center of Mestizo-Portuguese culture were the so calles Portugis songs were developed based on 16th century Portuguese folksongs. The most famous songs are “Nina Bobo” en “Cafrinyo”. The main instrument used was a a five-string guitar related to the rajão from Madeira the so called keroncong-guitar. The name Keroncong derives from the sound of this guitar when plaid "keron-cong" Outcast Indo-Europeans so calles Buaya's (crocodiles) formed gangs and wondered from Kampung to kampung using keroncong to win the hards of woman, so spreading keroncong in Java. Keroncong orchestra's came to live in the 18th and 19th century after contact with other Mestizo kampungs like kampung Depok. Songs also became repertoire of other ethnic groups and each developped its own form of keroncong. The structure of the Portuguese texts had similarities with the Malay Pantun's and were ultimately replaced by them. Keroncong became populair all over Indonesia and Malaysia in the 19th century thanks to the Komedie Stamboel, an Indonsian form of opera developped by the Indo-European August Mahieu.

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Recommend dividing out Kroncong (instrument) for better coverage

The article is mostly about the genre. I suggest we split off content about the instrument, which features prominently in the genre, so that the separate article can focus on technical details and history, as well as pics, of the instrument, while this main article keeps up the good work on the genre. Thoughts? MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I would tend to agree with this. The genre and the instrument are really two distinct topics. Zell Faze (talk) 23:33, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

"Kronchong Cadenza"

I removed that bit, as it was full of errors. It should be cadence, by the way, not cadenza. For the goodies, please see Cadence (music). The progression I–I⁷–IV–V⁷–I claimed to be the Kronchong one is actually a standard sequence in many styles of music. Only the last two chords are a cadence (a perfect/authentic one). --Stfg (talk) 13:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Significant contradiction

Which is correct, the article opener or the 'characteristics' section?? Tdimhcs (talk) 05:16, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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Evolution subsections?

May I ask what is the basis for the chronological descriptions of evolution? In case they are changed later, I am referring to: 4.1 Early Long Evolution 1552–1880 4.2 The Last Short Evolution 1880–now 4.2.1 Tempo Doeloe (1880–1920) 4.2.2 Kronchong Eternity (1920–1960) 4.2.3 The Era of Modern Kronchong (1960–2000) 4.2.4 Millennium Kroncong (2000–present) Are these commonly used terms or a framework established by one author? Because, as colourful as they are, there are very few citations. I would suggest that, if these are not commonly used terms for the different "eras" a simplification may be in order, between the "history" section which can talk about different eras, and musical descriptions involving chord progressions that are currently included in the Evolution section.--Dan Carkner (talk) 14:35, 8 July 2021 (UTC)