Talk:Kravica attack (1993)

Sources

Cinema, you are not telling the truth. The RDC link is not pro-Bosniak source at all. It is multi-ethnic Research and Documentation Center. It's sponsored by Norway, Britain, Germany, Switzerland etc. RDC cooperate with: The University of Georgia, The Inter-Parliamentary Union British Group, The Royal Norwegian Embassy, The Glocal Forum, Swiss Peace Foundation, Ludwig Boltzmann Institute of Human Rights etc. Read it here [1]. The curiosity is, that Serbian side used data from RDC in the Bosnian v. Serbia Case for Genocide as an example of neutrality. So please, try not to spread propaganda, rather check it first. ICTYoda (talk) 20:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The other WP:RS links are:

• UN ICTY Summary Verdict - N.Oric case
• Full verdict

ICTYoda (talk) 20:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Please bring back the list of the dead that I have listed concerning this article + the link. Removing such things is just wrong. --Cinéma C 21:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you referring to Talk:Kravica incident? Ijanderson (talk) 21:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. That talk page is concerning this article, not the diasmbiguation page. --Cinéma C 22:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Legal Findings - Kravica was a military base

The Judgment in the case of Prosecutor vs. Oric makes it clear that Serb village of Kravica was a military base from which Serbs launched deadly attacks on neighbouring Bosnian Muslim villages and town of Srebrenica itself. The Bosniak counter-attack on Kravica on the 7 January 1993 followed as a result of Serb blockade of humanitarian aid and constant attacks on nearby Bosnian Muslim villages. According to the Judgment:

"The fighting intensified in December 1992 and the beginning of January 1993, when Bosnian Muslims were attacked by Bosnian Serbs primarily from the direction of Kravica and Ježestica. In the early morning of the 7 January 1993, Orthodox Christmas day, Bosnian Muslims attacked Kravica, Ježestica and Šiljkovići. Convincing evidence suggests that the village guards were backed by the VRS [Bosnian Serb Army], and following the fighting in the summer of 1992, they received military support, including weapons and training. A considerable amount of weapons and ammunition was kept in Kravica and Šiljkovići. Moreover, there is evidence that besides the village guards, there was Serb and Bosnian Serb military presence in the area. The Trial Chamber is not satisfied that it can be attributed solely to Bosnian Muslims. The evidence is unclear as to the number of houses destroyed by Bosnian Muslims as opposed to those destroyed by Bosnian Serbs. In light of this uncertainty, the Trial Chamber concludes that the destruction of property in Kravica between 7 and 8 December 1992 does not fulfil the elements of wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages not justified by military necessity."

The Judgment also confirms that Bosniak refugees in the besieged enclave started dying from starvation caused by the Serb blockade of humanitarian aid. As a result, Bosniaks had to counter-attack Serb military bases around Srebrenica to obtain much needed food and other necessities for the survival:

"Between June 1992 and March 1993, Bosnian Muslims raided a number of vllages and hamlets inhabited by Bosnian Serbs, or from which Bosnian Muslims had formerly been expelled. One of the purposes of these actions was to acquire food, weapons, ammunition and military equipment. Bosnian Serb forces controlling the access roads were not allowing international humanitarian aid – most importantly, food and medicine – to reach Srebrenica. As a consequence, there was a constant and serious shortage of food causing starvation to peak in the winter of 1992/1993. Numerous people died or were in an extremely emaciated state due to malnutrition."

Source ICTY http://www.icty.org/x/cases/oric/tjug/en/ori-jud060630e.pdf Bosniak (talk) 07:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I tried to explain the same thing here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bratunac_massacre, but I was personally attacked by Cinema who said I had used "pro-Bosniak" sources?! ICTYoda (talk) 19:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Style tag

This was tagged in January for having an unencyclopaedic tone or style. There are no specific criticisms here, but the tagging editor states something is "off" about the tone. I've re-arranged the content so there are Prelude, Attack and Aftermath sections (as with other MILHIST articles); I'll leave the off-ness for others to decide. Xyl 54 (talk) 01:12, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Is it massacre or attack?

Sources say that more than 3500 civilians were killed in village and some 500 soldiers. Question is: why is this classified as "attack" and not as a massacre since only one villager survived operation? It is clearly massacre. 91.187.128.18 (talk) 12:38, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

We go by what reliable sources most frequently call an incident. It has nothing to do with how many fatalities there were. In any event, there is no evidence that 3,500 civilians were killed in this atrocity. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 21:52, 3 December 2022 (UTC)