Talk:Kokoretsi

Tying with vens

I read somewhere that kokoretsi is tied together with veins. Is this true? 67.22.243.14 21:22, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Nope. It's the long intestine, as the article says. I 've made a few myself, so I know. I don't really think it's practical to extract the veins from an animal to use them like that. Stassa 13:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Name

Is the origin of the name albanian? According to the Greek article, the word kokoretsi derives from a romanian word. Some citation is needed. --CeeKay 01:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Move to Kukurec

It is indeed Albanian, thus I would suggest to move the article to Kukurec as per originality. What do you think? --Emir Ali Enç (talk) 12:51, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge from Kokorec

Here's the argument for merging Kokoreç into Kokoretsi rather than vice versa:

• kokoretsi is the more common English word -- about 2x more common in English Google search excluding Wikipedia 396/171
• kokoretsi uses the standard English alphabet, and is pronounceable without special knowledge
• kokoretsi is originally an Albanian word (there are two cites in the article), so there's no special reason for the Turkish spelling

--Macrakis 15:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid you've made a rather serious error in suggesting this my friend. Kokoreç is NOT the same thing as kokoretsi, just because they both use lamb intestines in their recipes does not make them the same dish, though they are somewhat related. What you are suggesting would be akin to asking for meatballs to be in the same article as a fillet mignon steak, simply because they're both made from beef. I'm sorry sir, but you are mistaken. --71.231.151.23 04:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Kokoretsi and kokoreç are no doubt not identical. There is also a large amount of variation within recipes for kokoretsi and kokoreç. A merged article would be an excellent place to discuss both what they have in common and how they differ, just as the meatball article has a huge range of meatballs, including Swedish köttbullar, Spanish albóndigas, Italian polpette, Indonesian bakso, etc. There is also a separate article for the köfte family of meatballs, because it is large and widespread (and also quite diverse). Please don't think that I'm suggesting the merge for some trivial nationalistic reason—the köfte article includes κεφτέδες, for example, the criterion being the common English name. --Macrakis 16:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think this is needed. Especially considering above arguments. For any english speaker, I don't see any preference between the two, because after all, both are foreign words to them. A foreigner wanting to know what Kokoreç means will check english wikipedia anyway. The argument that it "is pronounceable without special knowledge" doesn't seem credible to me at all. I would like to see them trying to pronounce Kokoretsi in a proper way. We can easily incorporate phonetics info on Kokoreç page. But thanks for the consideration. --Gokhan 09:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the most important thing is whether the article is listed under kokoretsi or kokoreç. The most important thing is simply merging the two articles. Obviously both variant names would be mentioned at the very beginning. --macrakis (talk) 06:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

These Kokoretsi and kokoreç articles certainly need to be merged. The regional variations within Turkey are 10x more than the variations with what you see between Kokoretsi and kokoreç in Tureky vs in Greece or Albania. Gokhan's point doesn't really make sense when you look at Tsoureki and çörek, with çörek varying more within Turkey ranging from identical to what one sees in Greece, to versions with completely different ingredients.

Gokhan seems to have simply added the separate kokoreç a few days after the Kokoretsi article was created. why?71.252.96.130 (talk) 18:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Merge Greek adn Turkish

Surely too much of an undertaking even for dear old Wiki —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.43.8.84 (talk) 18:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

origin

this is not greek food.this is balkan or turkish food. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.179.113.130 (talk) 18:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not Greek or Balkan. It's a Yörük food coming from Turkic tribes in Asia. Yörüks had very little food sources in endless Asian steppes, they had to eat each and every part of animals to survive. They came up with the idea of kokoreç centuries ago. Once they moved into Anatolia in the Seljuk and Ottoman times, kokoreç was introduced to nearby regions such as Greece, Albania and Balkans in general which was under Turkish rule for centuries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.230.100.48 (talk) 09:43, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources for this? Also, is there a respectable Turkic etymology? My understanding is that the word kokorec is Albanian (but I am certainly no expert). Thanks, --Macrakis (talk) 13:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Etymology does not support Central Asia claims, Kokorec has no meaning in Turkic, unless we accept Flawed logic as evidence, it cannot be Turkic. Although historically there is a similar dish in Caucasus among North Caucasian people. Name is nothing similar, I am sure all over the world there are cultures which use intestines as food. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.31.105 (talk) 12:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Ingredients

I don't know about other countries, but in Greece we always use liver in kokoretsi. In fact liver,lungs and sweetbreads are the main filling and heart is only used for keeping the rest of them firmly on the stewer. Kidneys are rarely used because they tend to melt and fall off or in the worst case explode (!). Also, lemon and olive oil are never used for seasoning,as the lemon would "harden" the ingredients and olive oil is not needed as their is enough fat already. Vineagar or lemon is used to thorougly clean the long intestines used for wrapping. Could I add a recipe and/or change the article? Yeomos (talk) 15:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Please correct the article, especially if you have reliable sources for what you say. On the other hand, Wikipedia policy is that we do not include recipes or external links to recipes. Thanks! --Macrakis (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Etymology

I apologize if I had no reason to question Albanian origin of the word here. The name sounded Greek to me. Still, I would appreciate if the quote from the source could be provided?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC)