Talk:Koenigsegg Agera

0 to 400 kmh wrong ?

It cant be 20 second for the agera one:1 . The veyron has 0-400 in 55 seconds and 0-240! in 9.8 seconds while the agera one:1 takes more that 9.8 it takes 12 seconds to reach just 200 kmh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.253.190 (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

E85 myth

The interessting fact is, that the engine produces 1140hp EVEN on E85, because this has LESS energy content per litre, so the engine needs to pump more fuel. On normal 95-Oktan fuel, it produces the same power out of less fuel volume.

"The Agera R, based on the highly competitive Agera, follows in the footsteps of the CCXR as it also runs on E85 biofuel.

Among the many differences to the standard Agera, the Agera R has an upgraded fuel and engine management system with enough flow capacity to generate 1140hp and 1200Nm of torque on E85 and E100 biofuel. As there is less energy content per given volume in these biofuels compared to normal petrol, the fuel system has to manage a flow that is similar to a 2000hp petrol engine, which means that the Agera R’s return-less fuel system has the highest capacity of any car presently in production." [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goethe528 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

So what? When has it ever been a problem to pump a sufficient amount of fuel into the engine? All this gigantomanic marketing BS is ridiculous.77.13.145.175 (talk) 08:39, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Removed text

I just removed large parts of the article. It appers to have come from this ad, which is marked as "© 2010 KOENIGSEGG Automotive AB. All rights reserved." We can't use copyrighte material on wikipedia.--ospalh (talk) 12:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Much of this article reads like advertising copy. --80.254.147.148 (talk) 07:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Koenigsegg Agera R be merged into Koenigsegg Agera. I think that the content in the Koenigsegg Agera R article can easily be explained in the context of Koenigsegg Agera, and the Koenigsegg Agera R article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of Koenigsegg Agera will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned.Alanl (talk) 06:07, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose The Agera and Agera R are completely seperate models. --Rayous (talk) 09:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

• Strongly Agree The Agera and Agera R are essentially separate trim levels, not separate car models. Where there are instances that necessitate separate pages - Ford Mustang vs Ford Mustang Cobra - there are significant differences between the two topics, such as the lower end car being of limited production, model history, etc. Finally, see Bugatti Veyron and Bugatti Veyron Super Sport. The Veyron and Veyron Super Sport in essence have the same level of differentiation as the Agera and Agera R, but do not have separate pages. Ry Trapp0 (talk) 08:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

• Strongly Agree Indeed, they're like different trims, with the Rs engine just having some "minor" modifications to use biofuel which make for a smallish 20hp power increase using regular fuel compared to the Agera, all the other 135hp come from using biofuel; the differences are even less important than that of the Veyron and Veyron SS, those have some differing body panels and there's a weight reduction in play. Mike.BRZ (talk) 00:18, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose Well than how do you explain the two seperate pages for the CCX and the CCXR? The only changes the CCXR has is biofuel and slight engine modifications. The changes of the Agera R is biofuel and lighter weight. If the Agera R article should be merged with the Agera article, than why isn't the CCXR article part of the CCX article?

• Strongly Agree R engine is just slightly modified but the rest of the car is the same. I don't give much for the argument that CCX and CCXR have different articles, I think they should also be merged in that case. Other cars like Volkswagen Golf or Ford Focus don't have one article for each variant of the engine (would be ALOT of articles), Koenigsegg CCGT redirects to CCX etc 41.212.112.120 (talk) 09:17, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Strongly Agree With the Agera S it is just the engine that differs. No reason to have two different articles. Sijambo (talk) 09:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Dual clutch

According to mr Koenigsegg in the The dual clutch in the agera doesn't work the same way as it do in most other cars, don't know if this should be addressed in this page. Most dual clutch mean the normal usually dry clutch can be locked either to the even number gears or the odd number gears, this to enable gear box to always have prepared the next higher gear for you. On the Agera instead they have just one normal dry clutch from engine to gearbox but also have a wet clutch from gearbox to final drive. See this film around 3:35.

I'm not 100% I understand the advantage of this compared to a "normal" dual clutch, but I saw someone edited the article and changed from dual to single clutch just to undo his/her own update which make me want to point this feature out. Sijambo (talk) 09:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

References

Top Speed

Is the 443kmh the official theoretical top speed, its says on koenigseggs website that it is "440+". I just find 443 being a bit to exact to be an estimation, and find it better to write something like "more than 440kmh" or similar. Anon (talk) 02:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC+1)

Since they have no track long enough to run it in 440+ it is also a theoretical speed probably calculated from the well known drag coefficient, gearing and enigine power/torque curve. Think CCR was run at 385 at Nardo but that track is no longer available and is an oval any way which because of the car constantly turning lowers the top speed significantly. Agera R has 41-42 % more power than the CCR. Not sure where the 443 came from though. Sijambo (talk) 22:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

The official top speed or the Agera RS is 458 km/h. U1Quattro (talk) 06:28, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Merge propossal One:1

One:1 is a version of Agera, just as Agera S and Agera R are, and as Koenigsegg CCXR, CCX(R) (Special) Edition and Trevita are variants of Koenigsegg CCX and covered in CCX article.

One:1 article should be merged into the main Agera article. Sijambo (talk) 11:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Need For Speed

Three of these cars appear in the recent movie Need For Speed. That should probably be added under some new section I think? FillsHerTease (talk) 14:05, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Only if the appearance materially affected the car in some way - eg increased sales. Otherwise each car article will be full of trivial mentions of appearances in movies and video games. See WP:TRIVIA.  Stepho  talk  21:54, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

OK then ... fair enough. I wasn't sure of the Wikipedia policy, which is why I didn't add the section myself. I'm just used to seeing 'In Popular Media' type sections in other articles but I see your point. Thanks for the response.FillsHerTease (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 01:48, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

World Record inconsistent

The world record section claims it's about the records set by the Agera R, yet lists some of the recent records set by the One:1. This should be indicated properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.16.48.224 (talk) 21:08, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

The One:1 can reach a theoretical top speed of 274 mph (440 km/h), faster than the 273 mph Agera R and the 275 mph Agera RS.

The One:1 can reach a theoretical top speed of 274 mph (440 km/h), faster than the 273 mph Agera R and the 275 mph Agera RS. ? --84.119.42.103 (talk) 20:20, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

The Agera RS is faster due to lower coefficient of drag and that fact is proven now. U1Quattro (talk) 06:11, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Koenigsegg Hundra

As this is essentially a variant of the base Agera, a separate article doesn't seem to be necessary unless it is notable in its own right. Blake Gripling (talk) 13:34, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Agreed.  Stepho  talk  01:09, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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World records recognised by which body?

Many of the "world records" in the article were conducted by Koenigsegg and reported by Koenigsegg. I have no doubt that the vehicle did the speeds claimed in the times claimed but I do have doubts about whether they qualify as world records. Which sanctioning body recognised the claims? Were the runs done in both directiosn to average the effects of tail winds? Were they done on level ground or down a hill? Most of the references don't mention this, which raises my suspicions that most of the claims were in one direction without a sanctioning body, hence ruling them out as recognised world records.  Stepho  talk  23:25, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I have also posed this question at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#World_record_top_speeds.  Stepho  talk  00:12, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, they aren't recognised by Guinness. But at the top speed record attempt, representatives of Guinness were present but still, no response from them. U1Quattro (talk) 06:26, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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Repititive record information.

All information about the records made by the Agera RS is in the world records section. Repetitive additions should be avoided. U1Quattro (talk) 06:27, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Not finished ... yet... :-)

Several edits have been made to put 2018 as the end date of production. Although it is very likely to be true we normally don't put end date until the production has actually ended and at the time of writing this Ageras are still produced.

I think people have seen articles about the last Agera RS being produced, but there is a very limited Final series as well and they are not finished... yet. But in a month or two they (probably) will be and we can put a true end period to the Koenigsegg Agera info box. Sijambo (talk) 18:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

We're in the joys of a mini editor war. The claims so far are:

1. The Agera RS has stopped production. The Car Buzz reference backs that up and I think we all agree on that.
2. The Agera Final has stopped production. The Car Buzz reference mentioned that the Final is continuing but didn't give a date for end of production. This is where the disagreement is.

There are only 2 Final's left to be made, so it's highly likely it will end this year but it's currently unknown to me. Does anybody have any references that hint at when the Final production will end?  Stepho  talk  05:34, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

It will most likely end at this year's end. Because the factory has to start producing and delivering Regeras as well. Link would be posted. U1Quattro (talk) 11:47, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/koenigsegg-agera-production-ends/

As stated in this link, the replacement of the Agera is due in 2019 so it won't continue production til that year. U1Quattro (talk) 11:49, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

https://www.koenigsegg.com/the-last-agera-rs/

It is stated in the link that those two cars are nearly completed and it would probably be in one or two months that they would be delivered. U1Quattro (talk) 11:54, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I will also get in touch with a Koenigsegg employee that I know who will tell me the exact time when they will be completed. U1Quattro (talk) 12:09, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good to me and I agree with it just a matter of a short time. Be aware, Koenigsegg enforces a strict information spreading policy that only information manager Steven Wade and CvK himself are allowed to publicly comment anything regarding the company but of the record, you might get some info although it might be weak to use as a source. But I'm quite sure they will be quick to declare the end of production on their blog, just like they did with the RS series.

Most cars are driven near factory slightly masked for quite some time before being completed with final adjustments, often like a month, but the last RS had just one week from first seen outside to declared finished by Koenigsegg official post. Sijambo (talk) 21:56, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

The First final edition car was secretly tested before it's reveal and that's what will happen with the other two. The other two will be completed til start of June.U1Quattro (talk) 02:49, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Last weeks both cars have been seen driving around on roads outside the factory. They are still slightly masked and have factory test wheels, normally they switch to their "real" carbon wheels for the last two test runs before delivery. One of the owners has stated that both cars will attend Koenigsegg Owners Tour 6-8 July in Germany indicating the cars should be finished well before that, but not be sent to the USA but rather stay in Europe for that. Sijambo (talk) 07:24, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

They seem to be finished now. Several pictures with both cars with final carbon wheels, no protective film etc available, including this one https://www.instagram.com/p/BkqNDe9BhyD/?taken-by=x_marc_the_spot . Changing to finished. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sijambo (talk • contribs) 06:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

I told you that they would be completed by the start of June. I stand correct. U1Quattro (talk) 06:04, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Dating the 2018 Goodwood Festival of Speed

The article says Thor and Vader were revealed online in July 2018 and then also at the 2018 Goodwood Festival of Speed. I added 'July' to the FoS date but was reverted because it was 'mentioned before'. I can't see where it was mentioned. To me it is not obvious that the 2 events are both in July. Were the 2 events (online and FoS) actually part of one event? It's not obvious from the article text.  Stepho  talk  11:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

The FoS was not held in July. The cars were unvieled in July and made a public appearance at an event held in a different month. U1Quattro (talk) 13:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

https://www.goodwood.com/events-calendar/2018/7 says the Goodwood FoS was 12-15 July 2018. Media reports of it were released a couple of days later in July (eg https://www.motoring.com.au/five-special-moments-from-the-2018-goodwood-festival-of-speed-113659/ http://www.theweek.co.uk/94959/goodwood-festival-of-speed-2018-review).  Stepho  talk  21:39, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, my bad.I didn't recognised it earlier. The revert still stands because mentioning July twice makes no sense. U1Quattro (talk) 01:58, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

But that brings up my original point. It's not obvious whether the online unveiling and the FoS event were close together or 6 months apart. The FoS article also seems to be very coy about the actual date of the event. Not mentioning July for both events doesn't make sense. However, if you really don't like mentioning the word 'July' twice, then it could be reworded to something like "The Thor and Vader were revealed in July 2018 in both an online event and at the Goodwood Festival of Speed."  Stepho  talk  10:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Rewording seems more feasible. U1Quattro (talk) 16:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Successor

For how many times it would be mentioned that the Regera is NOT the successor to the Agera? It was stipulated by Von Koenigsegg that the Regera is intended to be a luxurious grand tourer just like the Bugatti Chiron. U1Quattro (talk) 14:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@ROCKSTAR HELLA:, you keep making claims about the number of RS sold and a secret sale. This may or may not be true but we have no way of knowing whether this is true or something that you believe by mistake or something that you blatantly made up. This is why all claims on WP must be backed up by a reference. See WP:VERIFY and WP:RELIABLE. We cannot allow your claims to stay in the article until you provide some form of proof to back them up.  Stepho  talk  21:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Agera Final Series Vs Agera Final Edition

Im adding this into the talk page as I find it quite interesting and peculiar. The Agera Final Series was originally created in 2016 and is a series of two cars that started off with the Agera "One of One. It was said that the last two Agera Final Series cars would be unveiled later. However when these cars were unveiled (Vader and Thor) they carried badges stating "Agera Final Edition 1of2" instead of 1 of 3. This indicates that there is a difference between the Agera Final Series and the Agera Final Edition, where the Final Series includes the Agera One of One and FE Vader/Thor. Where as the Final Edition just strictly includes Thor and Vader. Should this be stated in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ROCKSTAR HELLA (talk • contribs) 04:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC) - ROCKSTAR_HELLA User:Stepho-wrs

What is "hp"?

I thought that PS was the standard measure of horsepower. What does hp refer to? The wikilink leads to an article with numerous definitions. If this cannot be clarified, I think it should be deleted.

Marchino61 (talk) 00:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

hp (horsepower) is a common unit of power in English speaking countries. PS (Pferdestärke) is a slightly different unit of power common in non-English speaking countries but rarely used in English speaking countries. Both were replaced by the kW in the metric system.

They are related as follows: 1.000 hp; 1.014 PS; 0.746 kW  Stepho  talk  00:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Is that text sourced, or is it your own text? I grew up in the UK about 50 years ago, and even then bhp (brake horsepower) was the standard form of measurement of car engine power, not hp alone. PS is now used almost exclusively. The USA uses SAE hp, I believe, but this gives a *higher* figure than PS, not a lower one. And Australia, as you know (we are both based in WA), tends to use neither, and sticks to kW.

I note that most other car articles on Wikipedia don't use "hp", so I am wondering why this one is different. And I still do not understand why it is used here.

Marchino61 (talk) 02:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I think you are confusing power with ways of measuring power. The American SAE gross power measured engines without alternators, gearbox, fan, etc and sometimes even removed oil and water - anything to remove drag so they could report higher numbers while being "honest". They no longer use this method but use net horsepower with the accessories, fluids, etc in place. Note that in both cases there as a hp figure and that it meant exactly the same thing in terms of physics (ie work done per unit time). But one is like doing a 100 metre sprint normally versus running downhill. Likewise, bhp is a means of obtaining a hp figure but is done via a brake device on the dynamometer. If British figures vary compared to US figures then it is usually due to different testing procedures rather than a different definition of horsepower.

The 3 figures I gave for conversion between hp, PS and kW is via the {{cvt}} template, which has a reputation for being very reliable and using official conversion formulae.

UK magazines (and older Australian magazines) treated hp and bhp as synonymous. I have rarely seen PS used in British, Australian or US magazines except when they are repeating figures given in a press release by a European manufacturer and certainly not for anything manufactured in Britain, Australia or US.

Not sure what you mean by most other car articles not using hp. The term is practically littered throughout our car articles. A quick google search for wikipedia "hp" car gave 15,300,000 results. See List of production cars by power output for example usage.  Stepho  talk  02:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)