Talk:Kit house
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USA only?
editSeems this new article is very US-centric and very oriented towards the 1900-1950 era. How about kit houses from elsewhere? For example Huf Haus is a modern German manufacturer, the prefabricated home article also discusses the subject and there is the Category:Manufactured home manufacturers. Astronaut (talk) 11:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- Well... I think it is talking about a certain type of prefabricated homes specifically made in the US during a certain time period. Huf Haus has its own article. And coverage on global prefabricated houses should be in the Prefabricated home article.-- Obsidi♠nSoul 12:08, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- I just created this article yesterday, and I agree with Obsidian. The lead sentence specifically defines and limits the topic. Textorus (talk) 12:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- But the lead sentence incorrectly defines and limits the topic. I agree with Astronaut. "Kit House" and "Kit Home" are terms that refer to much more than this article indicates. This article is about a specific kind of kit house in a specific country at a specific period of time, and "Kit House" just does not specify that. For example, in my neck of the woods (Oz) kit houses/kit homes quite often are not prefabricated as such, but consist of all of the materials pre-cut ready to be assembled, with detailed plans and assembly instructions. That simply does not fit the description in Prefabricated home. They fit this article by common usage of the term, and don't fit the prefab article at all, but do not fit the content of this article as it stands. LowKey (talk) 06:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Bump. The lead sentence (and thus the whole article) still does not reflect the article title. LowKey (talk) 05:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
- Hello? How do we go about getting this moved/fixed? LowKey (talk) 05:12, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Hello, sorry, a bit busy at the moment. The help pages for merging/moving text is in Help:Merging#Performing the merger.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 06:04, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Hello? How do we go about getting this moved/fixed? LowKey (talk) 05:12, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Bump. The lead sentence (and thus the whole article) still does not reflect the article title. LowKey (talk) 05:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
- But the lead sentence incorrectly defines and limits the topic. I agree with Astronaut. "Kit House" and "Kit Home" are terms that refer to much more than this article indicates. This article is about a specific kind of kit house in a specific country at a specific period of time, and "Kit House" just does not specify that. For example, in my neck of the woods (Oz) kit houses/kit homes quite often are not prefabricated as such, but consist of all of the materials pre-cut ready to be assembled, with detailed plans and assembly instructions. That simply does not fit the description in Prefabricated home. They fit this article by common usage of the term, and don't fit the prefab article at all, but do not fit the content of this article as it stands. LowKey (talk) 06:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- I just created this article yesterday, and I agree with Obsidian. The lead sentence specifically defines and limits the topic. Textorus (talk) 12:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Guys, there is no need and no justification for moving this article. This is about one particular kind of housing that was manufactured in the United States in the first half of the last century, as the lede makes very clear. This is pre-cut construction, not modular, not manufactured, but a unique type that so far as I know was never duplicated anywhere else in the world. These homes are NOT at all the same thing as the German or Australian types mentioned above, which perhaps need their own articles. But this article should remain separate from all other types of prefabricated housing for its uniqueness and specific geographic source. It is sui generis, do you understand? Just as the lede paragraph says. Textorus (talk) 07:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Oof. Sorry I've completely forgotten what this was about. That said, I agree with Textorus per my old post.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 07:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you. Textorus (talk) 07:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, the article is about one particular kind, but the term (i.e. the location of the article) refers to much more than that. Everything else you said there is true, and is plenty of reason and justification for moving this article. The homes in this article are indeed not the same thing at all as the Australian and other types mentioned above, but those Australian types go by the names "Kit House" and "Kit Home". In other words, they belong in an article with this name. If the Australian kit house needs its own article, by what what name? LowKey (talk) 12:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, having another look after all this time, I see that what is described is very much like Australian kits, although Ozzie kits come in steel frame probably more than timber frame, and are still available. I couldn't say for sure about other places, as I only really know about Australian kits. Maybe Australian kits could go under "Kit Home" with each article providing a cross-link. LowKey (talk) 13:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I've renamed this article "Kit houses in the United States," which exactly describes the subject, about which a great deal more could be added here (manufacturing methods, sources of materials, financing, locations and neighborhoods, etc., etc.), and perhaps other editors will do so in future; whole books have been written on this topic, which is just minimally covered here. Now if you want to create an article about, say, "Kit houses in Australia" or anywhere else, feel free to do so.Textorus (talk) 17:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, having another look after all this time, I see that what is described is very much like Australian kits, although Ozzie kits come in steel frame probably more than timber frame, and are still available. I couldn't say for sure about other places, as I only really know about Australian kits. Maybe Australian kits could go under "Kit Home" with each article providing a cross-link. LowKey (talk) 13:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, the article is about one particular kind, but the term (i.e. the location of the article) refers to much more than that. Everything else you said there is true, and is plenty of reason and justification for moving this article. The homes in this article are indeed not the same thing at all as the Australian and other types mentioned above, but those Australian types go by the names "Kit House" and "Kit Home". In other words, they belong in an article with this name. If the Australian kit house needs its own article, by what what name? LowKey (talk) 12:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- New Problem - you're correctly distinguished this style of home (pre-cut) from other kit homes. Problem is the title is still wrong. This type of housing was also widely popular in Canada[1] I will be renaming the article accordingly.
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