Talk:Katie Hobbs/Archive 1

Archive 1

2018 Election

The results have not been certified yet, Hobbs has not conceded, and the margin is only 10,000 votes (with hundreds of thousands outstanding). Isn't saying that she lost a little premature? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14D:4102:FCB0:3DF2:64A3:19F4:E313 (talk) 14:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Obviously, it was too early to come to that conclusion. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:54, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Audit UNDUE?

Literally half of this article is about the 2020 election audit. Either it needs to be trimmed as WP:UNDUE or the rest of the article needs expansion. Probably both. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:55, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Mentions of Kari Lake

Andrevan Kari Lake is her opponent, but this is an article on Katie Hobbs. Randomly babbling about what Kari Lake has to say about the election results of an election that hasn't even occurred doesn't belong in an article that is about Katie Hobbs. The section is bare bone and doesn't even have anything that Katie Hobbs had to say about the election. Bill Williams 01:40, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Why is it "randomly babbling"? it's completely relevant to the reason why Hobbs didn't want to debate Lake. Andre🚐 02:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The source never mentions Lake's speculation over the gubernatorial results as the reason for Hobbs' refusal to debate, it only stated that she "didn't want to create a spectacle" so I removed it, because the speculation over the 2022 results belongs in other articles. Bill Williams 03:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

"randomly babbling" is a really odd thing to say in this context. It's clear from the linked source that this is relevant to the reason that there was no debate. CrazyPredictor (talk) 03:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Katie Hobbs specifically stated that Lake being disruptive for attention and talking about the 2020 election was the reason she did not debate, with the only source provided in this article regarding that stating "[Lake would] just create another spectacle, like we saw in the GOP primary debate. But on top of that, I would just add, you can’t debate a conspiracy theorist and at the last debate, she brought the conversation back to the 2020 election no less than a dozen times." Zero sources claim that Lake's nonsense regarding the 2022 election is why Hobbs refused to debate. Can you provide a single source that says that? Bill Williams 13:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Grammar improvement

The first sentence is written in the present tense ("is serving") but concludes with a past event ("since January 2019"). This is grammatically awkward. The sentence should either be written as "Kathleen Marie Hobbs (born December 28, 1969) is an American politician and social worker who has served as Secretary of State of Arizona since January 2019." or as "Kathleen Marie Hobbs (born December 28, 1969) is an American politician and social worker who is currently serving as Secretary of State of Arizona, having taken office in January 2019." 67.60.91.71 (talk) 07:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Audit Coverage

This commenter will not be making any modifications except to say that while newspapers and media outlets are entitled to interpret events any way they want - to the point of lying about it - that kind of thing seems inappropriate for an encyclopedia. The coverage of the Maricopa Audit is extremely biassed and misleading. I would suggest that if you want to discuss the Audit as it relates to Katie Hobbs you do it with benefit of the published audit results. e.g. The hand re-count resulted in a few extra votes for Biden, but some of the ballots being counted (about 44,000) are highly questionable. These will have to be adjudicated at some point, if the audit is to have any effect in changing the results... whereas there is some certainty it will result in changing of laws, in more than one state. 2603:7000:C901:5F00:2C9D:36A5:4BAC:6ED0 (talk) 23:45, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

"Fann, referring to one of Donald Trump's claims of election fraud, contended that the county had deleted an entire database." [If the article is going to cite this particular claim then the article should point out that the claim was false, and was due to the auditors looking for the database in the wrong location.]Italic text 67.60.91.71 (talk) 07:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

"The Board responded in a letter calling the accusations "false, defamatory, and beneath the dignity of the Senate." " [The use of the phrase "the accusations" implies a reference to previously cited accusations, but there is no such previous citation. Perhaps the intent was to refer to "claims" as a near synonym of "accusations", but the meaning is not exactly equivalent. Also, it is likely that the letter from the Board of Supervisors addressed more than just the missing database claim.]Italic text 67.60.91.71 (talk) 07:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022

The line in the article "On October 16, 2022, Lake twice refused to say that she will accept the result if she does not win the election: "I'm going to win the election, and I will accept that result." does not have anything to do with the article. The article makes no reference to Hobbs stating a reason why she would not debate Lake nor does the article include any statement by Hobbs regarding Lake's statement. As much as I believe it is ignorant, the line's inclusion shows bias in the article or the author's choice to include it. Splankton (talk) 21:07, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. This is already being discussed and there is no consensus thus far. CrazyPredictor (talk) 17:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the editor, it's completely irrelevant to the article section. Bill Williams 19:03, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

This source states the reason Hobbs did not debate Lake clearly and I have added it to the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:30, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

This needs to be worded better if this "material" is going to be added. I agree that I wouldn't really be using quotes from Lake that are so recent it becomes synthesis. --Malerooster (talk) 00:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Katie Hobbs

How is it not relevant that Katie has been sued successfully twice for discrimination against African Americans? Are you trying to protect her image? Would you do the same for Trump? Notabotnotalib (talk) 17:29, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You didn't provide a source. Andre🚐 18:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2022

Near the end of the article there are two sources provided #42 and #43, however these sources are ONLY from one side of the political aisle thereby making this article biased, and untrustworthy with respect to the work performed by Katie hobbs. We need to include two more sources that verify the non biased nature of the information to ensure its legitimacy. AngelsPlayground (talk) 23:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: You seem to misunderstand. Just because 2 sources are only from one point of view on something does not make the entire article biased. That's just silly. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:48, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

I couldn't help myself, I had to look. Refs 42 and 43 are from CNN and NYT describing how the 2020 presidential election was not fraudulent. There are conservative sources that say the same, like National Review or The Bulwark. There's no need to "balance" out mainstream sources like CNN and NYT that conservatives think lean against them. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:57, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Omit “Governor-elect”

I think that it’s best we omit the Governor-elect section right now. While I do believe she won, Cochise County (which is a major swing vote) has refused to certify the election in their county. If the vote changes and Lake ultimately is declared the winner, it would look ridiculous to have Hobbs as Governor if Lake won. Dancingtudorqueen (talk) 07:06, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

She is the governor-elect, whether you think she is or not. Cochise County is not a swing county. It is dark red, and if they don't certify their vote totals, that will just increase Hobbs' margin of victory. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:58, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

And before I even replied to this post, Cochise County lost in court and certified their election results. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

The election has not been called and therefore she is not "governor-elect" 172.98.32.44 (talk) 19:38, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

You can't just pretend that the reality that you want to live in is the reality we are all in.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Election Results

What I find very inconsistent with Wikipedia is in putting all Election Results on some politicians, and nothing on others. Muboshgu, will you explain why there is Election Results for most Politicians, and absolutely no Election Results for this article on Secretary of State, or Governor-Elect Katie Hobbs for any Offices she was elected for. Easeltine (talk) 22:39, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

The percentage and amount of votes to be specific what I mean. Easeltine (talk) 22:40, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Easeltine, I can't speak for other articles, but I see election results being added to every page that needs it, one by one. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Katie Hobbs, State of Arizona and Maricopa County file Sanctions against Kari Lake

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/hobbs-seeks-sanctions-lake-election-suit-dismissed-rcna63274

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/arizona-governor-elect-asks-court-sanction-election-denier-lake-2022-12-26/

Note this is in direct response to the 2022 election lawsuits in Arizona where Kari Lake claimed that they were stolen until it was proven false by the State of Arizona.2601:640:C682:8870:8D2:40D4:8CD9:75D2 (talk) 15:11, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion, even once the sanctions request is approved or rejected, this isn't necessarily notable for the Hobbs article. If Lake does get sanctioned over lawsuits being frivolous, then that would be directly relevant to the Lake article. CrazyPredictor (talk) 17:51, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I second that. Sanctions are relevant to Lake, not Hobbs. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:01, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2022

Change "Assuming Office" date in the Governor of Arizona section from January 2, 2023 to January 5, 2023. Zerogravity21 (talk) 23:28, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/elections/katie-hobbs-innauguration-date-and-committee/75-7a2ea9d1-c0c2-4060-864f-155b12c73651 – Muboshgu (talk) 23:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I actually see conflicting sources on this one. For example, this recent reuters article claims it is Jan 2: https://www.reuters.com/legal/arizona-republican-lake-presses-stolen-election-claims-court-2022-12-21/

Overall, it still appears that Jan 5 is the correct date though, as Hobbs' own website notes that the inauguration ceremony will take place on that day. CrazyPredictor (talk) 23:52, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

The AP is saying Hobbs will officially take the office of Governor today per the Arizona constitution, and be sworn in at a private ceremony.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-arizona-state-government-katie-hobbs-phoenix-57ef5643c9d172663afd2410473eb48f Insomonomics (talk) 11:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2023

On December 9th, 2022, C. Murphy Hebert was made Director of Communications. She was formally the communications director in the Office of the Secretary of State, where Katie Hobbs was the secretary of state.

Reference: https://katiehobbs.org/governor-elect-katie-hobbs-announces-key-senior-roles-in-administration/ Roguelib (talk) 23:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 19:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2023 (2)

I want to add Hobbs' birthdate. it has been confimred by her herself Ramireznatalie (talk) 16:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC) Ramireznatalie (talk) 16:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 10:16, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2023

It's a minor change. Why is Gov. Hobbs' birthdate removed? She said her birthday is December 28th herself. Source: https://twitter.com/katiehobbs/status/1608516319972069376 Ramireznatalie (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done Lemonaka (talk) 10:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)