Talk:Kateri Tekakwitha

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Pronunciation

Does anyone have any pronunciation advice for this article? Sandover 03:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

The pronunciation is closest to that described by Laerwen, but depending on which Mohawk dialect used the pronunciation varies. In the U.S, specifically New York state, the letter 'K' is pronounced as a 'G' and the letter 'R' spoken as an 'L'. Also, the letter 'T' is pronounced as a 'D' or when followed by an H (th), as 'T'. Gah-da-lee Deh-gah-Gwee-tah. Jam i amonnit (talk) 10:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

It seems that sources on Mohawk language tend to use the central dialect spoken in Ahkwesáhsne, in which r is pronounced as l. Since KT was of the Kahnawà:ke community, she presumably would have spoken the eastern dialect, in which r is pronounced r. I've added the pronunciation in IPA to the article. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 00:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I've always heard her name pronounced cat-AIR-ee teck-ah-KWEETH-ah, but that's not official. MamaGeek

My home church is a St. Kateri Tekakwitha and we all pronounce it like MamaGeek described. This is a great article by the way! Timan123 13:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

(talk/contrib) 01:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Her first name is a Mohawk rendering of Katherine, thus the anglicized accent should come on the first, NOT second, syllable: KA-tir-ee (many people mispronounce it by accenting the 2nd syllable). A more native pronunciation would not place accent on any syllable: ka-tah-ree. LotR 14:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Kateri Tekakwitha figures prominently in William T. Vollmann's Fathers and Crows. It's strange that Vollmann isn't mentioned here.

I have seen "ga-DAI-ree deh-GAH-quee-tah", as well as "kat-AIR-ee teck-a-KWEETH-ah". I've seen the former as a more Mohawk pronunciation, but I've not a clue as to the validity of this. Laerwen (talk) 05:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The Mohawks of Akwesasne, an offshoot of Kateri's community of Kahnawake, pronounce her name as "Gah-deh-LEE (Kateri) Deh-gah-GWEE-tah (Tekakwitha). Kateri is a common Christian name and has been in use long before Ellen Wallworth published it in the late 1800's.

Would someone be so kind as to actually record themselves using the proper Mohawk pronunciation and post it here? 2600:1016:B12A:6176:C46E:975F:5855:CC43 (talk) 02:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Kateri vs Catherine

If I'm not mistaken, there used to be a section in this article about the origins of the name "Kateri" as an artificial contrivance of feminist writer Ellen Walworth, who was the first person to use that rendering. Tekakwitha, who had a fairly functional grasp of the French language, took on Catherine at her baptism in conscious honor of Saint Catherine of Siena - she knew how to pronounce her own name. It was only in the 1890's that "Kateri" came into use, when Walworth suggested it as an alternative to the "patriarchal" Catherine because that's how she imagined she, as a Native American, would have pronounced it.

Why was this removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.168.209.170 (talk) 08:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Even if you are correct, which I suspect you are. BUT Wikipedia gives priority and prominence to the most notable name given to her by the general media. So Kateri superimposes Catherine, but we added Katherine on top for your consideration. To note, Catherinae is on her beatification register. We will wait what the Pope declares of her official name in October 2012. LoveforMary (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)LoveforMary

Do you have a source citation for her beatification register? Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 19:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

You are correct, (talk). Catherine is her name on the register, not Kateri. I have the source for the beatification register as Catherine. The Holy See also notes it as Catharinae-Virginis, which is Latin of "Catherine". http://newsaints.faithweb.com/year/1680.htm . I do agree with the people here that Catherine is the name of her choosing, not Kateri. In my honest-to-goodness opinion, Kateri is her feminist name imposed by feministic groups like Ellen Walworth who wish to divert from so-called "Patriarchal influence". Anywho, this article wouldn't receive prominence if it wasnt for the approbation by the Roman Catholic Church, so I honestly feel the name they designate in her beatification register should prevail. But I have not pushed for an effort to change it because the Wikipedia rules remind me to use the name mostly used by the general media. So I will just rather wait in October when the Holy Father changes her name to Catherine, as it should be. LoveforMary (talk) 03:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)LoveforMary

Canonization

Blessed Kateri is now known as Saint Kateri - she has been canonized, maybe by Pope John Paul II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.195.104.148 (talk) 17:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

No, she hasn't been canonized. This is a common error that has been seen in various places on the internet. Laerwen (talk) 05:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Does that mean I can't use her as a patron for my confirmation? Also, I saw all the different things she was supposedly the patron of. She is the patron of Ecology, a form of science. Environmentalism is sacrilegious. It puts the earth before human beings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.181.19.39 (talk) 15:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

You can use her name as your patron. The difference between Blessed and Saint is that Blessed individuals are given a limited cult within the LOCALE of their territory, in this case---Canada and New York. When Holy Mother Church proclaims a Saint, the individual is granted universal veneration which may be used in all countries. And it certifies that the Successor of Saint Peter ensured that her soul really is in Heaven with God. LoveforMary (talk) 04:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)LoveforMary

Stewardship for the environment is a Christian virtue. What is wrong with ecology being a science? The Church has supported scientific progress in all kinds of fields for thousands of years. The world was created for man, and as long as we remember this, and who our Creator is, we will treat the world and everything in it with respect, as everything belongs to the Lord. Elizium23 (talk) 04:30, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Please confirm if she is indeed the official patron saint of the vicariates and dioceses in the Cordillera region of northern Philippines. In addition, please add the date in which she is commemorated outside the United States and Canada. Jose Corregidor (talk) 14:18, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

One more source to use

John Steckley wrote about Kateri Tekakwitha in 'Beyond their Years: Five Native Women's stories'. Canadian Scholars Press 1999 ISBN-13: 978-1551301501 This book could also be mentioned under 'further reading' Grotea (talk) 21:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Official canonization

Kateri Tekakwitha has been officially canonized by Pope Benedict XVI. There will likely be more announcements as the day goes on on other sites. But as such I've edited the article accordingly. If this was not allowed or I jumped the gun, I apologize in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.11.121.245 (talk) 17:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

This is not canonization. As Catholic News Service reported, the pope on December 19th signed decrees recognizing miracles attributed to various candidates for sainthood, including Tekakwitha. The article points out that there must be a public consistory and then the official canonization ceremony. In other words, the Vatican plans to canonize her but has not done so. --- OtherDave (talk) 02:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

potential resource

Native American is proclaimed Catholic saint by Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY

97.87.29.188 (talk) 00:05, 21 December 2011 (UT

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Editing to remove redundancies

In places the article awkwardly combines material from different sources. I have deleted some redundancies and corrected for style, trying to make it more Wiki encyclopedic, rather than New Advent Encyclopedia.Parkwells (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Structural issues

There is considerable repetition between the account of her life and later material on alleged miracles and beatification process; am working to reconcile these and make the article tighter, as well as improve sentence style (rewrote the material on latest miracle in Washington state).Parkwells (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

First Native American woman?

Given the long history of Roman Catholicism in Latin America, I'm pretty skeptical about this one. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

AFAIK she was the first Native American woman - there have previously been indigenous males. Could be wrong, though. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

First Native American in the U.S. according to the pope--surely you don't doubt the pope? :P Gandydancer (talk) 23:05, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Then I really doubt him - though she was technically born in the US, she's considered Canadian. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

According to old maps from that time, she was born in Canada. When the USA wins a piece of land, do we get to claim its history as well? Gandydancer (talk) 17:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

She was likely born in Iroquois territory - whether Britain or France thought they were "claiming" it would be beside the point, according to your construction above. Just like political administrations, territorial winners do often assume the history of a place as well.Parkwells (talk) 14:09, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Protectress of Canada

During the canonization ceremony, while speaking in both French and English, Pope Benedict specifically called her the protectress of Canada. I think this settles the controversy on whether she should be considered a Canadian or an American. She was born in Iroquois territory, which was a buffer zone between England and France, and which was not part of the 13 British colonies (now USA). But she did in fact move to the South Shore of Montreal, in the French colony of Canada.

132.208.198.109 (talk) 19:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

So...was the pope speaking with a forked tongue? Oh, God forbid that I should even think such a thing! Gandydancer (talk) 17:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

There are formalities that Papal enthusiasts are very keen on regarding Patronages. In many Catholic countries, the distinction and territorial honor of these patronages are very sharp and sensitive to people. Perhaps in USA, you have none of these because there is no Catholic culture, but outside the American version of Catholicism, devout followers of Saintly cults are very territorial and is only quashed by an Episcopal proclamation or a Papal bull.

Yes I agree she is under the patronal jurisdiction of Canada and not New York. Lets call a spade a spade, so just move on and be grateful for her saintly inspiration. In the first place, the people who submitted her postulancy are from Canada, so render to Caesar what is his. 2606:6000:80C1:6900:5148:78C5:546B:8966 (talk) 00:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

In connection with Canada, why does the article not mention the National Shrine of Saint Kateri Tekakwitha, at the Saint Francis-Xavier Mission, Kahnawake, Quebec. Its website is https://www.nationalsaintkaterishrine.ca. Mdmi (talk) 20:07, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Surname

Is "Tekakwitha" intended to function as a surname? The article explains that this is her Indian given name, so it seems to me that "Kateri Tekakwitha" is a double given name and she should be referred in the article as Kateri according to WP:SURNAME. Elizium23 (talk) 14:40, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Up to my knowledge Tekakwitha is her Indian given name and Kateri (derived from Saint Catherine) the name she took on baptism, nevertheless, the liturgical calendar of the catholic church refers to her as Saint Kateri Tekakwitha. HTH,--Turris Davidica (talk) 11:12, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

New Edit November 29, 2016

Hello everyone. I shall be editing the Wikipedia page for Kateri tomorrow around noon. I shall be posting new information not found on her page including the Roman petitions and the Walworths pushing for her veneration in the 1800's, ancestral opinions on Kateri and what she meant to Native Americans, the Tekakwitha Conference, Protestant attitudes towards her veneration, and Lamberville's letter written before her baptism. Jrc3123 (talk) 03:14, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

I am quaking in suspense. I can't wait. I sincerely trust that you will be including reliable secondary sources along with your edits. Elizium23 (talk) 03:27, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

birthplace

I deleted the claim in the info box that Kateri Tekakwitha's birthplace later became Auriesville, New York. Sources show that this claim by the town in the last century was not supported by subsequent archaeological evidence. I have discovered that some sellers of so-called relics on eBay make this claim and suspect that adding this to the article is there to support their auctions. I've also noticed that on articles about Cardinals of the Catholic Church, signatures are added to the info boxes. These signatures later show up on eBay auctions. These signatures are added as photos with no supporting evidence that the signature is in fact that of the Cardinal. Bodding (talk) 19:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Scholar or spam?

I removed this link because the editor who added it was a spammer who was blocked for spamming. Now it's claimed that this is "scholarly commentary". I don't know; is this website a WP:RS? It's in French, not English, so how will it serve our English-speaking readers? The website is very Web 1.0 Geocities type. I have no idea of the credentials of the author. Scholar or spammer? Why not both? Elizium23 (talk) 21:01, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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St. Kateri church in California

I don’t see the mention of the st. Kateri church in Santa Clarita, California 76.170.99.159 (talk) 00:25, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

It was mentioned in the Statues section. I've added a mention of the church itself in the Legacy section. CodeTalker (talk) 01:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)