Talk:John Gildroy Grant/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ian Rose (talk · contribs) 10:22, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Not a QPQ for Vance Drummond (although obviously appreciative of the review), this is just the first bio of an Antipodean soldier I've seen in the list for a while... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:22, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Toolbox checks -- no dab or EL issues; no duplinks either.

Prose -- copyedited a bit so let me know any concerns. The main outstanding point is that the account of his VC-winning action reads very similarly to the citation in the Gazette that follows; this may be as much the fault of Harper and Richardson as anything but could you have a go at rewriting the account in your own words?

Structure/comprehensiveness -- seem appropriate for GA-level.

Referencing -- nothing leaps out reliability wise, and formatting looks consistent/correct.

Images -- licensing looks okay.

Summary -- really just the VC account causing issues. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:31, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

• @Ian Rose: Thanks for the feedback and no issues with your changes. I've rewritten the VC-winning section a bit. The one thing I don't like is the use of the term "demoralised". This word is used in a couple of sources and it is not clear to me whether it means the Germans were shocked and distracted or they actually surrendered. I've gone with demoralised because of this uncertainty. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 10:25, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
• @Zawed: Just wanted to add a brief thanks to you for writing this very important article. I enjoyed learning more about Grant's life and service, and appreciated the way you sensitively mentioned that he may have wrestled with PTSD. IMHO, articles such as yours can only help to reduce the stigma soldiers and others often still face when diagnosed with this condition. I also wanted to extend my thanks to @Ian Rose: for doing this GAN review and so many others. Your efforts are genuinely appreciated. Kind Regards. 47thPennVols (talk) 20:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

• Zawed, tks for having a go at the VC bit. Yes, it was "demoralising" that first made me look hard at the article wording v. the Gazette citation as it seems such an odd word in this context, not one I would've expected you to use. It's a bit disappointing there aren't more sources detailing his actions that might give you more to work with. I think we probably need to quote "demoralising" directly and attribute it inline to what I assume is the primary source for the word, e.g. "according to his citation for bravery" (or "to the London Gazette" or some such). I've had a go, pls see what you think. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
• 47thPennVols, thank you on my behalf for your kind words. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

@Ian Rose: your revisions look good, thanks for that. Zawed (talk) 00:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

@47thPennVols: thanks for the comments, much appreciated. Zawed (talk) 00:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay, passing as GA. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:56, 5 August 2018 (UTC)