Talk:João Manuel, Prince of Portugal

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Should this maybe be a disambiguation page? This name and title would have also been possessed by John II, John III, John V, and John VI (and possibly others). Moreover, John VI, in particular, who served as regent for his mother for many years while Crown Prince, is surely at least as well known by the name as this guy. john k 13:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

We should have the most used name as the title. Since John's title was Crown Prince of Portugal for his entire life, I think it's fair to use Crown Prince of Portugal for him. And, by the way, John V and John VI never used the title of Crown Prince of Portugal. They used Prince of Brazil, which was the title of the Portuguese crown princes at the time. As for John II and III they are known today by their actions as monarchs, not as crown princes. Joaopais 16:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I would say that I've rarely seen John VI referred to as "the Prince of Brazil" in English. But I'll defer to you. john k 19:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps because he used the title of "Prince-Regent" since his mother, Queen Maria, became mad. If you want to know more about the titles see: Prince of Brazil. Joaopais 17:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

I proposing this article to be renamed João, Prince of Portugal for three reasons:

1. The title Crown Prince of Portugal is not a Portuguese titled, since it never existed. The title used was just Prince of Portugal, with the other sons of the monarch using the title Infante.
2. All other articles on Portuguese princes and infantes use the Portuguese form of the name with few exceptions
3. All other users of the title "Prince of Portugal" are in the form "Name (in Portuguese), Prince of Portugal" (see João, Prince of Portugal (1451), Joana, Princess of Portugal and Afonso, Prince of Portugal)Joaopais 00:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose; no evidence that he is called João, Prince of Portugal in English historical writing, which we follow. Perhaps the other Protuguese princes need to be moved, although I am glad to see Henry the Navigator where he ought to be. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  • The problem is that he is not known by this name either. He is rarely mentioned in English historical writing, by the way. One thing, very important here, is the fact that the title Crown Prince of Portugal was absolutely not used in Portugal. Joaopais 00:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Could we settle on dropping Crown, then? It is our usual custom to Anglicize royal names, as with Henry IV of France. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
      • All Portuguese princes and infantes are in the Portuguese form. Only monarchs are Anglicized, with few exceptions. But if you think it would be better to keep him in the Anglicized form and drop the Crown part, it's ok for me. Joaopais 17:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Let's see what other people think; if they want to go to João, that's consensus. If not, we can come back to this from John, Prince of Portugal (1537-1554); John, Prince of Portugal is the dab. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 08:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)