Talk:Jimmy Wales/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 15:44, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

• Since I often take on reviews to learn about a subject, this is a good one because it is a subject I should know more about. I'll start this review in the next few days.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:44, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Can you kindly help me in the issue? It's too much for me to do alone. Dipankan ^{Meet me here!} 09:23, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

• Is "Jimmy" the name his momma gave him (As opposed to the more common James or its variants)?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:18, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Jimbo goes by Jimmy in real life, stated in his user page. Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Is Jimmy the name on his birth certificate, passport, etc. Is his real name James or another variant?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:19, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I think so, he must not be telling lies about his real name! Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 04:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Let me be more clear. This article will not pass WP:WIAGA until we verify his birth name.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:26, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Ask Jimbo himself, probably that will help. Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

We need an WP:RS. Also, do you think that is the role of the reviewer?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:01, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

• Please merge or expand both one-sentence paragraphs?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:18, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I did not see any one sentence paragraphs, what are you trying to tell? Dipankan ^{Meet me here!} 09:23, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

1st and 4th paragraphs.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 04:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

• I think the infobox is a bit sloppy and confusing. I would prefer that each title have its own officeholder type section. It is not clear what title the successor is relevant for. I am not sure how much would be lost converting the infobox to that format. If there is significant content loss, we should discuss another way to clarify the currently confusion content.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:22, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • On second look, the infobox is not so confusing as to require an overhaul. I have just never had to work so hard to determine what the successor is relevant to in a WP infobox.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:55, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
• I would link futures and options here rather than later.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Early life and education

• I am disappointed at the tone of this section and hope it does not continue throughout. It is as if the editors are hesitant to synthesize the RS and convert them into an encyclopedic entry. The article seems to attempt to retain a folksy tone, which is unencyclopedic.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
• I would have included the sourced content that Wales disputes his claimed birthdate.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
• I think I would link "Britannicas and World Book Encyclopedias".--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
• "a small private school in the tradition of the one-room schoolhouse" does not sound encyclopedic.
• "As an adult, Wales was sharply critical of the government’s treatment of the school, citing the “constant interference and bureaucracy and very sort of snobby inspectors from the state” as a formative influence on his political philosophy." comes from nowhere almost assuming the reader is acquainted with examples of interference and bureaucracy.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
• "school was expensive" should be preceded by a clear statement that he went to a private high school that charged a tuition.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
• "something he ascribed to boredom" is an unencyclopedic choice of words. I would say "He ascribed his failure to complete his dissertation to boredom"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Chicago Options Associates and Bomis

• "and used to write computer code as a pastime" does not properly match the tense of the prior verb and causes the dependent clause to be ungrammatical.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, solved. Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:20, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

In my mind the ways to make this parallel are to change to either "and having written computer codes during his leisure time" or "and having been a computer code writer during his leisure time" or "and has written computer codes during his leisure time"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

• had become - > became--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done. Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

• potential of computer networks -> computer networks' potential--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Nupedia and the origins of Wikipedia

• "had struggled" had not necessary. It is generally more encyclopedic to write all past events in the simple past tense. Past perfect sort of has a grammatical purpose here to show that his struggles came before another past event, but since this is a chronological biographical article all past events come before other past events except the last one. Just use past tense throughout.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:14, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
• Similarly had encountered -> encountered and had engaged -> engaged.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:14, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
• "In an October 2009 speech, Wales recollects attempting to write a Nupedia article on Nobel Prize-winning economist Robert C. Merton, but being too intimidated to submit his first draft to the prestigious finance professors who were to peer review it, even though he had published a paper on Option Pricing Theory and was comfortable with the subject matter." is grammatically awkward. Break it down.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:14, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia

• This section seems very encyclopedic.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:02, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Controversy

• Please state the earliest date of the Wales claim of sole founder. I.E., something like "Since MM-YYYY, Wales has consistently claimed to be the sole founder"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:02, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Role

• "his participation in the Wikipedia project saw him flying internationally on a near-constant basis as its public face" I think saw should be has seen. There should be some sort of date attached to this. Was he flying non-stop in 2003?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done

• I am not sure I agree with the sectioning. The section titled controversy is about his role in the founding and the section role is about his role in the ongoing entity. Reconsider the sectioning here.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
• I find the role section to be incomplete. The reader might want to know if Wales continues to edit, if he serves on any committees.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation

• "possible its success" - move possible to the end of this phrase.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

• I once saw Wales state on Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert (probably Stewart) that Wikipedia operates under the laws of the state of Florida because it is incorporated there. Is that relevant to the first sentence of this section?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I see no editorial response in your edits.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:54, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikia and later pursuits

• "he recommended custodial sentences for members of the press who engaged in phone hacking and harassment." needs a citation.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Comment I have removed the entire sentence, it is unsourced. Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

• Merge or expand one-line paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Political and economic views

• What is an objectivist? With the link piped the way it is on the second use, I am confused on where to find it. Lind the first use of the term.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
• I'd try to help the reader understand center-right. Maybe link to Left–right politics.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
• Why is the term trader only used here and in the infobox. If he was one, that section of his career should use the term and the LEAD might also include it and link it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Personal life

• Paragraph 1 mentions 2 daughters, but only one is accounted for in subsequent text.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Comment It is because that he had married two women, the first one having 2 and second one having one. Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

• Merge or expand the first paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done, Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I see no change in your edits.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• Is there any update on the 2007 residence?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:57, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Comment I don't know, I can't find it now. Probably you may search through the archives in Google? Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Honors, awards and positions

• Could you attach years to each award in the 2nd and 3rd paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I did not understand what you're trying to tell. Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

• Merge or expand the final paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:11, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Image review

• Only the infobox image has {{personality rights}}, but all the rest of the images should too.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Comment I have been solving this, few images have already been tagged with the template. Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done, Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Please check the WP:CAPTION#Wording. Note the difference between the treatment of full sentences and phrases.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Other

• I belieive that See also comes before published works.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done, Dipankan says.. ^{("Edit count do not matter")} 06:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Summary

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Tone is an issue early in the article as noted above.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Sources are not a large issue here.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   I am not sure his current role is fully explained.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Although the tone is off, I don't think it relates to neutrality

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Tags and captions need work.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   I will put this on hold for 7 days and then review. The changes that are necessary are substantial, but reasonable. I hope the nominator is responsive.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

This nomination needs some more attention. Please resume before the weekend ends or I will fail this article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:05, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

• To say, this is just too much for me to do alone. I have made many changes to the article, put personality rights on images, etc. Please, help me to fix the article.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dipankan001 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 25 March 2012‎
  • Fail The article does not meet WP:WIAGA and the nominator is unable to address the concerns.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)